Install Workbench on CF card problems

[MozzerFan]

I have found a PDF with the jumper settings of your SCS-IDE.
 
You can find it here:
http://www.redsretro.com/manuals/IDSC21_jumpers.pdf

[sim085]

Edit: Never mind. I found an old post of yours.

Sorry I did not send before ... we had power cut.

[MozzerFan]

Sorry I did not send before ... we had power cut.

No problem.
 
Did you see my previous post with the jumper settings of  your SCSI-IDE?
Looks like you have to jumper switches 4-5-6 to OFF-ON-OFF

[sim085]

I have found a PDF with the jumper settings of your SCS-IDE.
 
You can find it here:
http://www.redsretro.com/manuals/IDSC21_jumpers.pdf

Yes that is the card I bought, thank you for finding that. I read the document but not really understanding much (sorry). Do I need to follow the instructions for Flash ROM (2nd page), and does that mean that I need only one jumper settings (because in the first page is says that HD has 5 jumper settings and if I remember correctly on the card card I have 5 pins).

[sim085]

No problem.
 
Did you see my previous post with the jumper settings of  your SCSI-IDE?
Looks like you have to jumper switches 4-5-6 to OFF-ON-OFF

When i go home I'll give a proper look to the card and if need it I'll take photos
Thank you for your help

[sim085]

Looks like you have to jumper switches 4-5-6 to OFF-ON-OFF

Hi again,

sorry for the delay but we had another power-cut here (just my luck). Anyways, I am at home now and I had a look at the card. I had another look at the manual but I still cannot understand it.

There are in all 22 pins labeled from 1 to 11. Now should I set the jumber as follows:

11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
-----------------------------------------------
0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0

Where in the above diagram two vertically aligned '1' represet a peace of plastic placed on the pins? or I understood everything baddly?

[MozzerFan]

Hi again,
 
sorry for the delay but we had another power-cut here (just my luck). Anyways, I am at home now and I had a look at the card. I had another look at the manual but I still cannot understand it.
 
There are in all 22 pins labeled from 1 to 11. Now should I set the jumber as follows:
 
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
-----------------------------------------------
0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0
 
Where in the above diagram two vertically aligned '1' represet a peace of plastic placed on the pins? or I understood everything baddly?

Well, it's a bit weird, because according to the manual there should be ten jumpers.
There probably is an extra jumper reserved for future use if needed.
 
What I would try is this:
 
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
-----------------------------------------------
0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0___0
 
 
if that doesn't work i would try
 
11__10__09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
-----------------------------------------------
0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0
 
 
It's a bit difficult, because it looks like JP0 in the manual is not used, so I don't know if it's there or not.
 
According to the manual jp4-5-6 should be OFF-ON-OFF and JP7 should be ON (assuming that your CF-IDE is DMA capable).

[sim085]

Hi,

Sorry for the long delay... yesterday was an early night because of the power cuts. However this morning I went strait checking the SCSI -> IDE card after I read your post.

There are nine pins (not 10 and neither 11, only 9). Since pin zero is never used I assume that I have pins from 1 to 9 (0 excluded). The reason I thought I had 11 pins was that on the card I have '1' printed at one side of the pin set and '11' at the end of the same pin set (sorry for any confusion made).

After a few jumper changes, I can confirm the following, if I for example put an incorrect jumper the light on the IDE -> CF card does not switch on, while it does switch on when I put the plastic (1) on pin 5 and 7. However still no workbench comes up.

Additionally, If I connect a normal drive then can I let the jumper settings as they are, that is I set pin 5 and 7 on? I am asking this because I am considering of doing what you suggested, that is to connect a normal IDE dirve to the SCSI -> IDE connector so that I can see if the problem is with the SCSI -> IDE card or else with the IDE -> CF card.

This is a diagram of how I have things set up at the moment:

09__08__07__06__05__04__03__02__01 < --- (numbers)
---------------------------------------
0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0 <--- (pins)
0___0___1___0___1___0___0___0___0

[MozzerFan]

There are nine pins (not 10 and neither 11, only 9). Since pin zero is never used I assume that I have pins from 1 to 9 (0 excluded).

You are correct.
 

I am becoming more familiar to what the manual is saying. What I can not understand is this. When you say "OFF" I understand 0, this means I do not have to connect any peace of plastic right? In that case wht is the difference between '0' and '-' in that manual?

If it says 0, you don't have to connect the piece of plastic (it's called a jumper).
There is '-' written in the manual when that jumper (or group of jumpers) is NOT being discussed. For example, the DMA setting is jumper 7, which is either 0 or 1 (OFF or ON). The rest of the jumpers has a '-'.
 

After a few jumper changes, I can confirm the following, if I for example put an incorrect jumper the light on the IDE -> CF card does not switch on, while it does switch on when I put the plastic (1) on pin 5 and 7. However still nothing comes up.

You should only have a jumper on 5 and 7.
 
Do you have the CF-IDE adapter jumpered as master?
 
Maybe you should test it with a harddisk to see if that works.
If it does, maybe the CF card is the culprit.
 
 

Additionally, If I connect a normal drive then can I let the jumper settings as they are, that is I set pin 5 and 7 on?

Yes you can leave it as it is.

[sim085]

You are correct.
Do you have the CF-IDE adapter jumpered as master?

Yes

Maybe you should test it with a harddisk to see if that works.

That is my next move Does the size for the hard drive matter? What I am planning to di is connect the hard drive to SCSI -> IDE card, then load Workbench Install disk and change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME to 'gvpscsi.device' and then turn on HDToolBox.

That should hypothetically work right?

If it does, maybe the CF card is the culprit.

I really hope so. I can not wait to get rid of it at this point!

[MozzerFan]

Yes
What I am planning to di is connect the hard drive to SCSI -> IDE card, then load Workbench Install disk and change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME to 'gvpscsi.device' and then turn on HDToolBox.
 
That should hypothetically work right?

Yes it should work.
 

I really hope so. I can not wait to get rid of it at this point!

You could try to remove jumper7. Maybe your CF-IDE doesn't support DMA.
 
If the CF-card is the problem, maybe you need the Sandisk utility to change the Card from removeable to fixed.
But first I suggest trying it with a harddisk.
 
If you really can't make the Ultra II work, I can sent you my Toshiba 128MB for the cost of shipping.

[sim085]

You could try to remove jumper7. Maybe your CF-IDE doesn't support DMA.

I think I did try that this morning, however I read the paper that came with the CF->IDE card and it says it is supports DMA. However there is nothing wrong to try it again
 

If the CF-card is the problem, maybe you need the Sandisk utility to change the Card from removeable to fixed.
But first I suggest trying it with a harddisk.

I will try the hard disk as soon as I go home and if that works out then I'll try the utility.
 

If you really can't make the Ultra II work, I can sent you my Toshiba 128MB for the cost of shipping.

Thank you very much for the offer. Will let you know. I really appreciate all the help you have given me I would be totally lost without your help!

[alexh]

Maybe your CF-IDE doesn't support DMA.

I read the paper that came with the CF->IDE card and it says it is supports DMA.

CF cards are native IDE devices so most (all?) IDE->CF adapters are passive. They are literally just wires to change from one shaped connector to another.

Because they are passive they cannot interfere with functions such as DMA.

It is the CF card itself which supports DMA or doesn't.

[voyager]

They are indeed just wires but still you have DMA capable adapters and you have NON DMA adapters.

AFAIK DMA card’s need 5v on a pin to put it into DMA mode, so Adapters that support DMA have a floppy type connector on them.

[delshay]

They are indeed just wires but still you have DMA capable adapters and you have NON DMA adapters.

AFAIK DMA card’s need 5v on a pin to put it into DMA mode, so Adapters that support DMA have a floppy type connector on them.

err 5v is needed to power-up the unit as some adaptors do not supply 5v via the main connector. you will find the floppy type power point on 40 pin adaptor.

[abbub]

Looks like a lot of trouble shooting has occurred already, but I can confirm that a 2 GB SanDisk Ultra (SDCFG-002G-A110 works on an Amiga 3000 with a SCSI-IDE convertor.  

The SCSI IDE convertor was just a generic bought off of ebay, and the IDE CF bracket was likewise.  On the model's I have, the IDE CF bracket has a floppy power connector and the SCSI-IDE adapter has a standard Molex on it.  Both have to be plugged in for it to work.

The standard scsi.device has no problems seeing it, or detecting the correct settings for the CF card.

I just got workbench installed on it last night.  It's not instant on, but it's a lot faster than my A2000 booting off of a real 2 GB SCSI hard drive.  (I'd say it's about a 3 second boot...)

I can try to find out the model numbers on the CF reader and the SCSI convertor, if you need them.