Amiga A4000T worth 1k?

[tone007]

My question is more, why the 4000T over the regular 4000 (030 / 040 / 060)?

Jon

It's the only Amiga with both SCSI and IDE on the motherboard!

Though I really think it's just the cool door with the tinted window.  That's why I bought mine, anyway.

But seriously, way more room in the 4000T case, probably a whole lot less of them made than 4000s, and no NiMH or NiCad battery to leak on the motherboard (all button cells from the factory, I believe.)

[LoBai]

So when you use IDE say connecting a CD Drive in the A4000T do you have limitations on what type of IDE hardware you can use?

[marcfrick2112]

Tone007: yep, the 4000T has a coin-shaped lithium battery standard, and also has terminals for attaching an external battery....  

LoBai: I actually never used the IDE on my 4000T, but I would assume it would be similar to that found on A1200's, etc. I don't think there are too many limitations beyond the usual >4GB issues for HDD's with some OS versions... ugh, too tired to post links ATM, just search for it.... CD drives shouldn't be a problem, assuming you have a suitable filesystem....

Other cool points about the 4000T are the 2 video slots, the room for drives,etc... (mentioned already) and I actually thought the headphone jack was handy.... Too bad my 4KT is pretty much dead ATM..... it's a great machine, When it Works...... :furious:

My 4000T is still not booting, it's in pieces, sitting in my living room.

As for upgrades for any Amiga, it's all about the accelerator....  that's the expensive bit......

[tone007]

All of the world's problems would be solved if everyone had a 4000T.

[zipper]

I'm satisfied with my towerized A4000 - it's worth at least 3k.

[nishtek]

@zipper

My Amiga 4000T with 68060  is worth $1350.  That includes all costs in it.  At $1000 and fully working its a bargain.  I'd agree with you though, that its worth at least $3000.  Market value wise, realistically  about $1000-1500 with 040 cpu.
Its major pluses:
- the battery
- the SCSI & IDE controllers (you can use both).  SCSI is faster.
- nice unique case
- well designed board

Its the only Amiga that is the way Amiga should have been built.  Only thing missing is the flicker fixer (which was included in A3000).  A1200 don't compare to it as they don't have any zorro slots.  
Actually A1200/600/500 are in class of their own, i think its cool today to have a keyboard with computer in it.

[zipper]

@zipper

My Amiga 4000T with 68060  is worth $1350.  That includes all costs in it.  At $1000 and fully working its a bargain.  I'd agree with you though, that its worth at least $3000.  Market value wise, realistically  about $1000-1500 with 040 cpu.
Its major pluses:
- the battery
- the SCSI & IDE controllers (you can use both).  SCSI is faster.
- nice unique case
- well designed board

Its the only Amiga that is the way Amiga should have been built.  Only thing missing is the flicker fixer (which was included in A3000).  A1200 don't compare to it as they don't have any zorro slots.  
Actually A1200/600/500 are in class of their own, i think its cool today to have a keyboard with computer in it.

Agreed, I had to work and spend a lot to make a better one ;-)
-CSPPC, Prometheus, Voodoo3, PicassoIV (because of the flickerfixer),  CVPPC
-the fastest SCSI + 2 slow IDE interfaces
-big lithium battery
-biiig ugly tower with looots of free slots
-3 UWSCSI + 1 IDE drives
-2 HD floppy drives
-X-Surf
-I'm nuts...

[LoBai]

Thanks Marc,

I just purchased one will be getting it on Friday of next week so I can't wait!! You guys have me so excited.

Anyone have a good accelerator for sale for the 4000T? LOL

Scott

[nishtek]

@LoBai

The Amiga 4000T is likely the best Amiga 680x0 made.   Some argue the A3000, because of the build in flicker fixer.  However the A3000 is too tight to expand inside, while A4000T has plenty of room.
Either way you'll be happy.  The accelerator is a bit tough to find these days.  But perhaps the new GVP ones from softhut might do?  The 68060 is plenty speed (unless you can find PPC but thats risky sometimes-thinking Phase 5)
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/gvp-m_index.html&cart_id=1632523_2641
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/gvp-m_4060DT.html&cart_id=1632523_2641
The GVP one should fit (it resembles the old CBM68040 board), but  check with Joe of Softhut first for some photos.
I do strongly recommend putting a low-profile heatsink on the ALICE chip, which is known to get hot on all A1200/4000 series.
And you likely will need an external flicker fixer (the white, external indivison ones by individual computers, lots of people offloading them), graphics card such as cybervision, network card such as xsurf.
If you need the heatsink or kickroms drop us an email: support@nishtek.com
We also have a few spare 68060 CPUs for backup.  you might drop us an email anyway, as we're compiling list of A4000T users, those that may want to upgrade the machine (internal flicker fixer if enough interest exist) and the occasional parts for it.
have fun.

[scuzzb494]

Hi
I payed £750 for mine from a guy off Amibench. Has the following spec however...

The A4000T Specification

Central Processing Unit: MC68060 49.9 MHz (rev 1)
1 WarpUP Processor(s): PPC 604e 200 MHz (rev 2.4), 66 MHz busclock
Floating Point Unit: 68060fpu 49.9 MHz
Memory Management Unit: 68060mmu running
Custom graphics chip: AGA Lisa 4203 (rev 0)
Custom animation chip: AGA PAL Alice 8374 2M (rev 3-4)
Other custom chip(s): Paula 8364 (rev 0), Ramsey (rev 15), Gary (rev 0)
Graphics system: Picasso96
Graphics board(s): Picasso IV [Paloma Concierto]
Soundcard(s): Concierto
Hardware Clock: clock + battmem found, sunday 21-apr-2002 18:38:28
Max. Chipmem available: 2048 K
Max. Fastmem available: 130048 K
ROM chip version: 45.20 (Kickstart 3.9)
Workbench version: 45.3 (Workbench 3.9)
SetPatch version: 44.38
Expansion board(s):
5001/6: individual Computers/VMC HyperCOM Z4 (@$00E90000 64k)
4626/23: individual Computers X-Surf (@$00EA0000 64k)
2167/24: Village Tronic Picasso IV (@$40000000 32M)
8512/100: Phase 5 Digital Products CyberStorm PPC/MK III SCSI
(@$00F01060 128k)
Cyberstorm PPC serial #: DCC0270

Worth every penny I would say. No Amiga can out'purr'form an A4000T fully loaded. Great machine.

... So did you buy it ?

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz126.htm

scuzz
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com

[QuikSanz]

@LoBai,

I got my A4000T from either an AO or AW member for $1000. It was loaded with Cyberstorm MK3 060 both motherboard & accelerator loaded maxed with memory, a Cybervision3D W/FF-SD, Toaster 4000, Delphina sound card, X-Surf and more. This was about 5 years ago. Worth every penny.

Chris

[Marien]

Hi
 
... So did you buy it ?
 

 
Hi, is it a philosophical question or your offer?

[Pyromania]

@Bloodline

Unless you need to run a Video Toaster 4000 & Flyer.

[mdivancic]

Unless something has changed Software Hut hasn't had A4000T for several years. Last time I checked it was about 2005.

[cv643d]

IMHO an A4000D is much more sensible if you dont want multiple 5.25" and 3.5" hardware internally mounted.

The A4000T is a bit of a monster, yes its gigantic but in comparison with a typical PC big-tower it can not take nearly as much 5.25" and 3.5" hardware. The case is strange IMHO, it is designed to work as a desktop and a tower (that is why the two 5.25" units are 90 degree turned).

Though I can understand why it was popular in professional environments where a heavily loaded Amiga was running 24/7, I guess if thats what you want to do an A4000T is a great solution. For myself a loaded A4000D is plenty fine

[persia]

Yep, Amiga is no longer a poor mans hobby, it's moved to the collectable price range and as equipment dies and supply becomes more scarce it will only become more expensive.  Ironic that a machine that started out as a "people's machine" ends up as just the opposite.

Me, I'm out of the market.  I'll keep what I've got but if it dies I'm not replacing it, UAE is so much faster and better that I no longer can justify the price spread.