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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #239 from previous page: June 14, 2009, 12:55:42 PM »
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In post #207, you misquoted me (PURPOSELY) and then in #214 you told me I should I stop misquoting.


Heh, you first said to quote you propperly, to which I said you first. Reason? I use the quote tag to produce a propperly formatted response. Hence the "you first". I thought it a nice (ok, possibly cute) retort.

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And then you repeatedly told me I am confusing timing with cycles while I have clearly stated I am sticking to T=1/f.


To which I, and others specifically pointed out that a computer has no sense of time, rather that everything is dependant upon the clock, which as has previously been covered, isn't that accurate.

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 Then I tell you to stop this bullcrap, you say "You first".


Yup, I did. You still haven't though.

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 I have quoted you EXACTLY to the points I replied to.  Only put "..." where it's irrelevant to the point.


Actually, you haven't. Some (not all) of your replies have bordered on quote mining.

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>Not had to, could (although to be fair, some televisions I ran my Amiga through really did need it), what it proves is that the Amiga isn't all that accurate (now there's a shock!). It also proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a certain amount of tollerance within the specification - if there wasn't, any minute alteration in frequency would result in no picture.

I already said even with the ppm rating, it's considered to be working per spec.


Ok, perhaps I wasn't clear here, I'm not arguing the spec, what I'm saying is that the spec (or at least the equipment built to the spec) has a certain tollerance, this is true of any piece of equipment. If there was zero tolerance, the ability to adjust the screen in the way currently available would not be possible (or necessary for that matter).

Tolerances for modern equipment and standards have become much much tighter since then. A prime example of how things have moved on was the example of the issues with some accelerator boards and some revisions of the Amiga.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #240 on: June 14, 2009, 05:04:35 PM »
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Actually, you haven't. Some (not all) of your replies have bordered on quote mining.
...

You have a big problem of just blaming people of things falsely.  You butchered my quotes -- something called tampering.

>Ok, perhaps I wasn't clear here, I'm not arguing the spec, what I'm saying is that the spec (or at least the equipment built to the spec) has a certain tollerance, this is true of any piece of equipment. If there was zero tolerance, the ability to adjust the screen in the way currently available would not be possible (or necessary for that matter).

Adjusting screen can be done even while maintaining same color-burst frequency.

Your blurting that "amiga  is not accurate" shows your bias and ignorance.  Whatever tolerances you apply, apply more so to PCs since NTSC frequencies are more precisely defined and crystals more accurately manufactured due to TV standards.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #241 on: June 15, 2009, 12:16:29 AM »
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You have a big problem of just blaming people of things falsely.  You butchered my quotes -- something called tampering.


Pot, meet kettle. I broke up your quotes point by point to address those individual posts, in the end I must admit, when you're going over the same thing over and over after having had it explained to you multiple times by multiple people why you're wrong I did have some fun with them. You on the other hand have sliced and diced my, as well as others posts to the degree that the many of the points have been removed.

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Your blurting that "amiga  is not accurate" shows your bias and ignorance.


Oh, it's because I'm biased against the amiga... Riiiight. You keep telling yourself that chum. As for ignorance, that's rich comming from the person who has had every single point they've made ripped to pieces thus far.

Fundie thinking...

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Whatever tolerances you apply, apply more so to PCs


ROTFLMAO.

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since NTSC frequencies are more precisely defined and crystals more accurately manufactured due to TV standards.


You know, in all my years and for all the different TV's I've owned, do you know how many different devices I've connected to them, I've only ever had to adjust where on the screen the picture appears with a desktop Amiga. Not VCRs, DVD players not the sega mastersystem, not the sony playstation, not the various digiboxes...
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #242 on: June 15, 2009, 01:38:45 AM »
I don't see the big deal, I run half a dozen virtual machines including Amigas, they all run fine without a problem, though sometimes I get confused which is the host, but that's a good thing...

UAE is the most compatible Amiga I've ever owned....
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #243 on: June 15, 2009, 01:41:54 AM »
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I don't see the big deal, I run half a dozen virtual machines including Amigas, they all run fine without a problem, though sometimes I get confused which is the host, but that's a good thing...

UAE is the most compatible Amiga I've ever owned....


Indeed.  The future is in VMs.  I don't care how well some crappy old multiplane scrolling jump twitch game plays or doesn't.  If the Amiga has anything to offer beyond insular nostalgia, it'll be in an emulated format.

Otherwise it's a dead platform.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #244 on: June 15, 2009, 02:29:46 AM »
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Indeed.  The future is in VMs.  I don't care how well some crappy old multiplane scrolling jump twitch game plays or doesn't.  If the Amiga has anything to offer beyond insular nostalgia, it'll be in an emulated format.

Otherwise it's a dead platform.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #245 on: June 15, 2009, 04:37:13 AM »
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Pot, meet kettle. I broke up your quotes point by point to address those individual posts, in the end I must admit, when you're going over the same thing over and over after having had it explained to you multiple times by multiple people why you're wrong I did have some fun with them. You on the other hand have sliced and diced my, as well as others posts to the degree that the many of the points have been removed.

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I know you feel you have to say something just make you feel better that you responded.  But you are dead wrong.  You misquoted me and you don't understand the point I made regarding cycle-exactness using NTSC-based systems.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #246 on: June 15, 2009, 07:26:09 AM »
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I know you feel you have to say something just make you feel better that you responded.


Mmmm, I love the smell of sanctimonious passive agressiveness in the morning.

Smells like retards.

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You mocked me and made the baby jesus cry.


Awwwwwww.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #247 on: June 15, 2009, 11:06:24 AM »
WinUAE is good, but not the same.  I keep a real amiga for the same reason I keep a real SNES and a real N64: because they "feel right".
 

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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #248 on: June 15, 2009, 01:31:36 PM »
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WinUAE is good, but not the same.  I keep a real amiga for the same reason I keep a real SNES and a real N64: because they "feel right".


This I can agree with. I have several hardware amigas, one of which cannot currently be emulated by UAE due to having a PPC board.

However, for everyday work, UAE is great. It actually makes the m68k based amiga a viable platform.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #249 on: June 15, 2009, 01:46:24 PM »
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Mmmm, I love the smell of sanctimonious passive agressiveness in the morning.

Smells like retards.



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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #250 on: June 15, 2009, 01:50:42 PM »
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This I can agree with. I have several hardware amigas, one of which cannot currently be emulated by UAE due to having a PPC board.


Did you ever try Amithlon at all, if so, how did that compare to the real deal?
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #251 on: June 15, 2009, 01:52:18 PM »
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Did you ever try Amithlon at all, if so, how did that compare to the real deal?


No, I can't say I've had the pleasure. From what I gather, it is very fast.
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #252 on: June 15, 2009, 01:53:58 PM »
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Baby jesus?


:lol:
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #253 on: June 15, 2009, 01:55:54 PM »
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indeed!

thank the gods for emulation!!!

But still,
I know the Amiga isn't the nowadays answer, but the idea of Amiga actually is.

We need new computers!
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Re: real amiga vs winuae
« Reply #254 on: June 15, 2009, 02:12:19 PM »
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:lol:

Heh, now I'm saying "baby jesus" with that voice all day long. :lol:
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