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Offline Crom00

Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #74 from previous page: May 09, 2007, 09:14:32 PM »
I dunno sounds too good to be true...

Guys I hate to burst a bubble...IMHE unless the motherboards are completley tooled and ready for manufacturing we're going to have to wait at least 90 days before manufacturing starts.

Then another few weeks for assembly and delivery to retailers...

That's a conservative estimate.

I base my commnets from IC development & manufacturing projects I've worked on for electronic toy manufactuers. At best I expect "Summer" to slip to early to mid fall...

Given Amiga Incs history of passing up Golden oppurtunites like "Amithlon"... a product that could well have been placed in mass market retailers, I'd file the announcement under BS alert...

But I hope I'm wrong. :roll:
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2007, 09:26:30 PM »
As Robert De Niro would say, "show me the hardware... and a new version of AmigaOS to go with it!".

Kinda.  Yeah, after I added that bit about the OS, it kinda tailed off at the end there.  You all get the idea, I'm sure.

I'll get my coat.

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Only one PCI slot ?! What about if I wanted to do audio production and use my existing TV card ?
That's a big no for a power system.


PCI-E?
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #76 on: May 09, 2007, 09:27:55 PM »
@ Edpon

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something about OS5 being released soon


Erm, you haven't been in the Amiga community for long, have you?  If you have, shame on your naivety.
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #77 on: May 09, 2007, 10:24:16 PM »
@Crom00

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At best I expect "Summer" to slip to early to mid fall...


Huh? You must have missed the "Power level product ready for Customers Winter 2007" part from the original announcement on Amiga.com.

And "Winter 2007" is still a pretty optimistic estimate for a product that will probably never see the light of the day.
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2007, 01:06:24 AM »
The P.A. Semi PWRficient PA6T-1682M has only been sampling for about three months now and won't enter volume production until sometime after September.

No way in hell this board will be shipping by winter.
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2007, 02:38:09 AM »
Edpon,
Are you related to Interesting by any chance?

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1- Amiga Inc and Hyperion are in a legal battle over OS4. . . my theory
    - - Amiga Truly did want to release a new computer and/or OS, but were bogged down by a legal ( and rightfully so ) obligation to Hyperion. I believe Amiga, in Bill's 20 questions answered to Amiga.Org, mention something about OS5 being released soon.
You mean the OS5 that AInc. claims to have had in development for two years so far, but is just now looking for someone to create the kernel? You know, the OS5 that's being made by elves on loan from Santa's workshop during the off-season?



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2- Amiga Inc and ACK join forces to bring you a system for both low end user and power user. . .my theory
    - - Yes they probably do have this in production or close to it. But can they release it to us anytime soon with the legal issues going on?
I'm pretty sure Adam really believes he's working on those systems. I'm also pretty sure he believed he was working on the PowerVixxens and the CPU replacement, both of which he also never presented any evidence of actually having even been designed, much less created to any degree.

I'll spare you the stories of people I've met who have water engines, free-energy machines, and tube-based computers (as in PVC tube/pipe) all designed, prototyped and ready for demo - except for one little hitch that needs to be worked out first. It's my firm belief that the ACK prototypes of these new "systems", they'd be made of gingerbread boards connected by strands of string with pictures of various chips pasted onto it - almost ready for demo!



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3- The current Amiga community as a whole. . . my prediction
    - - We need to get back to what we once were; a tight nit, passionate for the computer and each other, supportive group.
Yes, it's time for people to quit dicking around with dead-end OS4 and get back to the REAL Amiga. Fortunately it looks like things are headed that way BIG TIME.



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1 - Why haven't any of you addressed the true problem, ( Unless you know somewhere to find this ), about the soon to be Amigas; WHERE do you get any software for it, and WHAT software is there to use on the machines?
I assume you're talking about OS4 software? Keep in mind that the Amiga community is tiny, and that only a fraction of it is interested in OS4, and of those only a fraction have hardware which can run OS4 now, and of those only a fraction are actual developers, and of those only a fraction are actively working on OS4 software.

What's the motivation? It's a given there's no money to be made, so scratch that off - it's not even a remote consideration. The OS4 community has dwindled down to just a few core fanatics and interested onlookers, so it's not like there's much glory or even interest in your code, but when there is it isn't necessarily a positive thing. Bear in mind some of these remaining OS4 fanatics have even been known to try to get in touch with somebody who wrote an obscure AOS application over ten years ago to try to get them to port it to OS4 - they aren't exactly the kind of people whose attention you want to attract! I know the last thing I want is some Nordic guy calling me up at 3:00 AM Saturday morning in 2020 asking me to port a damn calendar to some OS I haven't thought about in ten years. Anyhow, that leaves personal satisfaction of creating something, which is a fine enough motivation but it isn't often that the final product meshes with what the people want to use.



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2- Adam, why don't you tell us all how much you're enjoying this thread? I'm sure you're just laughing your butt off at all the people's guessing and arguing with each other.
No doubt he is, this isn't the first time the OS4 community has been the butt of one of his "jokes".



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3- Bill or Adam; Humor us, please, just 1 photo of an actual Motherboard of either of the machines, can you do it for us?
ACK doesn't like pictures, silly!
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2007, 05:49:47 AM »
I hope it materializes, that said, to those who may be knocking the hardware specs, you may want to head over to the PA Semi site and download the whitepaper on this processor, its a beauty, and it will be able to do some things that even high end computers systems do not do. Among my favorites, and this depends on wheter these features are implemented or not are:

Memory controllers are on the CPU die. This feature is available in the AMD chips today, and has been one of the primary reasons why they have been competative in the CPU market. This means low latency access to memory without a north bridge arbriter to get in the way.

The chip has an onboard TCP/IP offload engine. This means that the IP stack is offloaded onto hardware, further freeing the CPU from processing packets at that level.

A multi channel DMA engine to offload memory transfers between memory and devices.

25W of power as a worst case sceneraio!!! can you say silent PC?

RAID in hardware!

Essentially this processor has built in engines to  offload an accelerate IO tasks away from from the core CPU thereby freeing those cycles for other tasks. There is a bit of the good old dedicated co processor concepts from the original Amiga in this very special processor. This includes the ability to do some things in one chip which require many other components to do in the PC world.
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2007, 06:46:41 AM »
Erm, you haven't been in the Amiga community for long, have you? If you have, shame on your naivety.

@Mikeymike

Yes, I have been in the community for quite some time, since the early 90's. I was restating what Bill said he and his OS "dreamteam" are supposedly building. I don't truly believe that they have something now; just possibly will in the future.  But then again, not too long after I bought my - then new - Amiga 4000/040, I was told by reliable Amiga sources that the next Amiga was going to have OS4, AAA architecture and be CD-ROM based, well, we all know where that went. . . SO to answer your comment, NO, I'm not naive and believe that OS5 is coming out. BUT, I do believe that Amiga will try to come up with it's own product to cut Hyperion out of the loop, just not any time this decade.
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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2007, 06:40:48 PM »
Is anyone else surprised at Amiga Inc seriously trying to sell a $1498.00 computer that won't even run Deluxe Paint 3? Compared to my 030 a1200 system, it feels like a bit of a downgrade.

If i buy a PC, i get a system still capable of running DOS programs. If i buy this new "amiga", it won't run most of the applications that made the original amigas so good.

It's not like it's impossible to make a new, powerful and compatible amiga. Computer companies like Digital Equipment Corporation have done similar things in the past.  This whole thing just puts the competence of the people at Amiga Inc in doubt. Making a new compatible amiga with a large existing software base even makes a lot of business sense. No idea what these people at Amiga Inc are thinking.
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2007, 07:59:26 PM »
Regarding backwards compatibility... It's uncalled for that Amiga0S 4 can't run all my LEGACY amiga software.

This is especially so when I can run most all my Amiga 500-to AmigaCD32 games quite well on a modded XBOX armed with 64 megs of ram and a paltry 700 mghtz pentium 4 celeron using a port of a public domain emulator.

We have become so used to third rate software haven't we? Look at Mac OSX... A G4 graphite can run OS9 to OSX Tiger applications. I'm not even going into the whole Universal binary code that can run on both PowerPC and Intel hardware.

With all the time spent on Os4 Development we  should  have an os running on multiple architechtures, Legacy emulation, and (at last) a native legacy compatible flicker free display.

I think it is unlikely Amiga Inc. are actually intending to release Hardware or Software... It's more likely (given their history) that this is an attempt at deception to secure more funding.

It's sad really, even in it's current state, the Amiga brand could work well with a Jakks Pacific style TV game project...

Any lawyer or licensor worth their weight will abandon all hopes of such projects after examining Amiga Inc's track record.

The non refundable license submission fee is a joke.
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2007, 09:13:36 AM »
priority:

1) good distribuition in Europe (Mediaworld, or other ....)
2) Branded keyboard and case
3) Mozilla, Open Office
Amiga 1200 + Blizzard 1230 50 Mhz + 32mb ram + HD 250 MB + Pcmcia card with compact flash 256.

Amiga 2000 + over the top 040 + oktagon 2008 + tandem cd + Toccata 16 + Picasso II + kick 3.1

Commodore 64 + 1541 + 1541 II + Action replay MK IV
Com...
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2007, 01:13:49 PM »
@Leo42


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>Does/Will it run any OS?
Linux.


Well if I want to run Linux I'll use a cheap PC.
What will be the need to get an new Amiga for that ?
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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2007, 01:24:34 PM »
@leirbag28

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I hope they make an A1200 style case version of the board.


I hope >not<.
This style case made the Amiga beeing regarded as a toy, constraining size thus compromising the expandability was responsable in a way for its commecial end.

The others reasons were not having a HD as standard and a CDROM at that multimedia time (the Amiga was the first true multimedia computer and the A1200 didn't have a CDROM!).
Onions have layers ...
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2007, 04:16:05 PM »
more shait from ack and ainc... the dream team!! hahahaha!!... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2007, 11:46:23 PM »
more shait from ack and ainc

Yeah, but who's using the toilet paper mate?   :devildance:
 

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Re: Power Design Details from ACK Software Controls and Amig
« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2007, 11:46:56 PM »
this new amiga have support for running OS4?

becouse i dont know what OS uses!!
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