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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 01, 2007, 10:35:33 AM »
Wait, wait...  let me get this straight...

This is a really slow CPU, and they're using DDR2 memory?  DDR2 memory, and they're using a PCI slot for graphics?

Are they F'n stupid?  This is a horrific mis-match of hardware.  I guess when you're hell-bent on using PPC at any cost (because, like, the CPU is the only thing that matters), then you have to make some severe compromises.

And all this time, I though Amiga's flagship product was supposed to run on any CPU.  Such horrible treachery to shackle people to such a Frankensteinian monster because they can't find a simple way to add a hardware key to an off-the-shelf x86 micro-ATX board.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2007, 01:17:50 PM »
Waccoon: Embedded chips use "Whatever memory is cheapest and uses Less power" .. Besides this PowerQiuiccII cpu has only 64Kbyte caches so having fast memory controller is essential for good CPU utilization.

So it makes sense.. Perhaps not as an Desktop computer point of view, but One has to remember that this ain't (and never has been intended) to desktop CPU. Most of embedded systems don't need AGP8* or multilane PCIexpress bandwidth for graphics, in fact most embedded today don't have Grafix at all...
 

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2007, 01:29:45 PM »
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Waccoon: Embedded chips use "Whatever memory is cheapest and uses Less power" .. Besides this PowerQiuiccII cpu has only 64Kbyte caches so having fast memory controller is essential for good CPU utilization.

So it makes sense.. Perhaps not as an Desktop computer point of view, but One has to remember that this ain't (and never has been intended) to desktop CPU. Most of embedded systems don't need AGP8* or multilane PCIexpress bandwidth for graphics, in fact most embedded today don't have Grafix at all...


...and besides, since the apparent demise of MAI, to my knowledge, no one produces an AGP capable Northbridge chipset for the PowerPC family.
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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2007, 02:32:13 PM »
I don't know why everyone is so bl**dy upset, AInc. have stared previously that OS5 will run on lots of different hardware, eg. x86. This has been a plan for them for ages now (but it was going to be called Amiga DE before).
OS4 machines (such as this one is probably intended to be) would be released to the public to fill the gap between classic Amiga (hobby users as we now are) and the new OS, ie. OS5.
The logical way to do this as far as Ainc is concerened is to give us a mobo that puts together what we have allready on the classic platform with ppc, pci etc..
I'm not at all suprised by this, lets face it, this is still the fastest (non-emulated) amiga yet and without the software available for it, we just don't need anything faster. OS4 is for hobby types (therefore expensive) and to give us a machine to (hopefully) develop some software on.
We need to be realistic with this, this is a stop gap solution (as is OS4).
If you don't like the hobby anymore...you don't have to take part.
If you just like retro Amiga, clone A may be better for you.
If you need a super Amiga, wait for OS5.

And finally, a question.
Who would like to see a clone A PCI board to go with this mobo?
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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2007, 02:47:18 PM »
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...and besides, since the apparent demise of MAI, to my knowledge, no one produces an AGP capable Northbridge chipset for the PowerPC family.


Might be true.. IIRC Marvell skipped AGP entirely in their product range, their newer chips are using PCI-express
 

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2007, 02:58:52 PM »
What are you argueing about the specs when this machine will never see the light of day anyway.

If it will come out an run OS4 it will be even wore, because that would mean A Inc. won over Hyperion bringing thus the Amiga history to a the final end.
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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2007, 03:17:54 PM »
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Poster: Lemmink  Posted: 2007/5/1 16:58:52

What are you argueing about the specs when this machine will never see the light of day anyway.

If it will come out an run OS4 it will be even wore, because that would mean A Inc. won over Hyperion bringing thus the Amiga history to a the final end.


And how would this current kind of gridlock be any better??? There's been no legally licensed hardware available for years.  

You people have to understand that there is *no* legal way hyperion to sell or give AmigaOS4 (without permission/agreement with AmigaInc), so the only way to end this years ongoing standoff is to make Hyperion to accept their partof bargain.

Yes, in the end that includes giving OS4 sources and development to AmigaInc as has been stated in their contract form 2001.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2007, 03:20:05 PM »
Lemmink wrote:
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What are you argueing about the specs when this machine will never see the light of day anyway.

If it will come out an run OS4 it will be even wore, because that would mean A Inc. won over Hyperion bringing thus the Amiga history to a the final end.
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It's over if it doesn't come out!
As for Ainc winning over Hyperion: WHO CARES?
It don't count for jack 'till the silicons in my hand and if Hyperion falls to make it happen it's no skin off my nose.
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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2007, 03:36:04 PM »
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Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs

Military specs? ;-)

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Entry level product ready for Customers Summer 2007

Else what?
Don't bother, we can wait 2 more weeks (or should I say 2 weeks ago?). What is needed, is h/w at affordable prices, and not outdated (which, by the way runs AOS4).
You announce what you want to sell, not what can be sold.... (is it ready? does it run AOS4? is it affordable? These are questions that cannot be answered positively, and are much less in numbers than those asked to be questioned - <20 - ).

"Waiting" and "be patient" is for those who have no alternative or are AMiGA-only (few left, if none). The rest of us are just hobbists, and if something appears from nowhere, some time (not in a couple of weeks time), they might be interested, or even buy it, but not expect something more than that...

Now sit, and watch the soap opera :popcorn:
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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2007, 04:44:58 PM »
Amiga is Dead. Long Live Amiga!

If I could have a AmigaOS box that would run most of the apps I want to run, with modern (standard/inexpensive) parts, and at modern speeds, I'd be happy. I'd probably buy one. I still have 5 real ones to play them old games on anyway..  

I can throw a microfly pc together for a few hundred bucks with a big HD, decent gfx, 1Gb RAM, 400w PSU, CD/DVD-burner, flash slots, USB, etc. If I could ever get AF or UAE working the way I'd like them to work, I could do it on x86, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

This would be a hell of a time for peg/bPlan to announce a complete efika system (with Linux/MOS1.5) for $399. My Peg I still kicks the sht out of all the PCs on my network. (Oh.. wait, they already did that.)

Too bad we seem to have to spend so much time blathering about the specs, second guessing, prejudging, defending our pov. Maybe we should just ask ourselves "what have I done for the Amiga lately".

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2007, 05:39:20 PM »
hi all,

:( An Amiga Dbox2.....Good for hacking Cable Tv at least.

So an Amiga with an SOC RTOS Chip....Ah well....I'll Stick with me Buffalo Linktheater.

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2007, 07:37:54 PM »
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You people have to understand that there is *no* legal way hyperion to sell or give AmigaOS4


Yes there would, if A Inc. would finally bite the dust.

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Yes, in the end that includes giving OS4 sources and development to AmigaInc as has been stated in their contract form 2001.

Giving OS4 "back" to OS4 is the same as throwing it into the trashbin. Despite what they say now they will do absolutely nothing with it (this includes releasing it in any form). They will just rip off the nametag and throw everything else away. Or even better they simply do not want OS4 to happen.

Even if A Inc. for some miraculous way would want to release OS4 themselfe as it is, what hardware should it run on ? I don`t think something will come from ACK and I don`t see A Inc getting friendly with ACube. So where should the hardware come from ?
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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2007, 10:35:51 PM »
Lemmik: That "hyperion gets os4 free"(*) clause was total daydreaming from Hermans.. I won't never past Amigainc's banckrupcy judges. If Ainc dies the OS4 right will be sold (or given biggest investors) and neither case It'll be Hyperion who gets hold of OS4 lisences.

IF ... (big if) AmigaInc gets full source of OS4 they can license it whomever they wish. Be it ack, sony or whoever seems to be like good idea. Heck even Genesi might get one since they have shown interest on running OS4 on their hardware.  :-D

And even if they didn't made any hw lisensce deal, situatuon would not be any worse than it is at this moment. OS4 has (ans will be) halted unless one side gives up.


(*) In theory there could have been (years ago) point for Amiga incs insolvecy case, unfortunately Hyperion should have attacked while Ainc was weak. Today it looks like AmigaInc can afford lawers and with then (and lawsuit held in Usa) they are having good chance on boiling Hyperion for good.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2007, 12:37:03 PM »
The specs are very low, and there is no mention to any OS to run on it. That's not good news... The Amiga Inc x Hyperion battle will definately terminate the Amiga market.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc and Ack Release Design Specs
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2007, 12:16:26 AM »
Hmmmm...I would not throw them rocks right away for this announcement.  

There is a large market ahead for a computer that would meet only a few basic criterias for a 500$ cost that no X86 boxes have achieved (nor Windows or Linux).  

I know  alot of people that are fed up of bringing their PCs to repair centers 3-4 times a year because windows became totally bloated with registry entries or bad software/spyware/malware/viruses/etc...

The same people are also unable to understand Linux or simply hate it even in simple releases such as Ubuntu.  They just don't feel the interface is intuitive.      

What they would love is a computer (whatever the brand) that makes them go on internet, listen to music, watch movies, play games and that is ready to use "right-out-of-the-box".  And that won't have a new bug every week.  

The A500 used to be this machine years ago and I am sure there is room on the market for another Amiga that follows these principle.

After many years passed fixing everyone's PC the phrase I heard the most is: "My f****ing computer is bugged again, why can't they make those machine s better?"  

So I wish the best to Amiga Inc in this project (as long as its not vapour again.....)    :-D
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