Amiga OS4 final release now available (for existing Amigaone hardware)

[AmigaPapst]

Juhu!!!!
Have a nice christmas with os4 final. :-D

[Acill]

It is good news, but what will the people that want it that never got an A1 or had it die on them do? Its a same so few can enjoy it. I have a $50 to turn in if it evers gets released for the Pegasos or the Efika!

[pjhutch]

I am curious to what's next?

* Will there be an update e.g. AmigaOS 4.1, 4.2?

* When will work on AmigaOS 5.0 start and will it be platform independant or used in 'convergence' appliances as originally envisioned? Is this vision still valid in 2006?

Any thoughts?

[Panthro]

This is Awesome to see and it's nice to get the official "it's Done" direct from the friedens (thats more AmigaWorld.net unrealism LOL )

and as for Hardware ....... well we shall see :inquisitive:



The views expressed here are those of a realist who hasnt given up on hope but recognises the past and do not speak for those who wont believe even after it happens. :-P

[bhoggett]

Well done to all concerned in the sense that "it's about time", considering the sort of promises that were made when the project started. Realistically though it's mostly hot wind for Christmas.

Magic-Merl wrote:
I browse the web, read my e-mails, write programs and write music. As long as I can do this with OS4 then I will be buying it. (Assuming the right hardware is out there also)

Well, browsing the web remains a problem despite the release of Ibrowse 2.4. Still several years behind the times and totally incapable of handling Web 2.0 web sites and applications.

Magic-Merl wrote:
Now when it finally can be run on other hardware - Efika to name just one. Then I think people will be buying the hardware and OS in increasing numbers.

Why? I can see why the existing user-base plus those that found A1s too expensive would be interested in buying new systems, but why would this attract anyone from outside?

Magic-Merl wrote:
We are always complaining about the lack of new products - this is a new product, shouldn't we be praising it....

According to Hyperion, they released AOS4 in 2004. Not a new product then...

Besides, a new product you can't buy doesn't really count, does it?

For me this doesn't actually mean very much. It might have some legal and contractual implications, but in terms of expanding the user-base, increasing the market or improving developer support it means absolutely nothing. It's only of significance to those who already own AOS4 and the hardware to run it.

It isn't really addressing any of the real problems: the dependence on low volume custom hardware, the extremely limited user-base and tiny potential market for expansion, the lack of developers and largely a lack of contemporary software, the lack of co-operation between the small factions that remain, the lack of a real purpose or direction for any of the Amiga-like solutions. Until egos get put aside and people start pulling in the same realistic direction, Amigaland remains the realm of pissing games.

[neon32]

Oh cheer up bhoggett.

Congrats to Hyperion  :-). Can't wait to be able to buy some hardware.

[zeigerpuppy]

Wow, it's been a while since I posted, glad to see that the user database hasn't forgotten me!

Well OS4 is out, great to see.  Just for a little history, I finally sold my A4000 some years ago and considered getting an A1, but got a Mac G5 instead.  Well, I can't say I regret the move but the main reason I got the Mac was because I thought that eventually I would be able to run OS4 on it....

What happened to all the PowerPC compatability?  I am still trying to get E-UAE running properly and have actually been using Amithlon via VirtualPC (works surprisingly well!).  There's a few other ways, Linux->UAE etc...
Anyway, I have to thank the Amiga community and NWAUG and Bernie for answering all my trickiest questions over the years and, ironically, making me a much better Linux sysadmin now.

If Hyperion hadn't killed Amithlon, I think it still would have been a smart solution to the hardware dearth of the times.  I can't really forgive them for that, as Amiga development could have continued quite well with JIT.

Nevertheless, not one to rain on their parade and good to see Amiga development continuing.  Excuse me for asking the question that needs to be asked though.... what happened to the exhaustive talk of hardware independence that I remember??

[Wilse]

@BootDisk:

Just to put a smile on your face, sunshine.

That's awful nice of you but I've a feeling your efforts would be better utilised on your own greetin' face. ;-)

[bhoggett]

zeigerpuppy wrote:
Well OS4 is out, great to see. Just for a little history, I finally sold my A4000 some years ago and considered getting an A1, but got a Mac G5 instead. Well, I can't say I regret the move but the main reason I got the Mac was because I thought that eventually I would be able to run OS4 on it....

What on earth made you think you'd ever be able to run AOS4 on a Mac?!?

zeigerpuppy wrote:
If Hyperion hadn't killed Amithlon, I think it still would have been a smart solution to the hardware dearth of the times. I can't really forgive them for that, as Amiga development could have continued quite well with JIT.

They didn't kill Amithlon - H&P did that - but a certain Hyperion bigwig did help derail it. At one point there was even the possibility of some form of co-operation between Hyperion and Bernie. Unfortunately by then the die had been cast.

However, Hyperion were amongst the people who did oppose it vehemently when it was first presented, and there were a lot of people who said "why should I get Amithlon when AOS4 will be out in a few months and Amithlon will then be obsolete?".

It's ironic that it's probably easier to find hardware that will run the original Amithlon release - which is a good five years old now, an eternity in mainstream computing - than it is to find hardware to run the newly released AOS4.

zeigerpuppy wrote:
Nevertheless, not one to rain on their parade and good to see Amiga development continuing. Excuse me for asking the question that needs to be asked though.... what happened to the exhaustive talk of hardware independence that I remember??

Hyperion never supported hardware independence. In fact their alliance with Eyetech was specifically designed to combat any move towards hardware independence. I believe that Hyperion felt it was important to keep Amiga users isolated from the mainstream and totally dependent to the few developers left in the market regardless of cost, value for money or quality of software on offer.

In that respect they've succeeded.

The hardware independence was Amiga Inc's angle, and something they supposedly wanted for AOS5 - which had nothing to do with AOS4 and was quite frankly a bit of a fairy tale. Amiga Inc were all mouth, but they never had the resources to deliver on any of their promises. This became quite clear during the AmigaDE debacle, which turned into one almighty scam.

[Tripitaka]

A big well done for getting OS4 out at last (despite the naysayers) but alas with a lack of hardware available I must content myself with an AMD X2 4200 on an NForce 4 mobo with a 7900 GT PCIE card for Christmass............ It's a hard life. Roll on OS5 for dual core, lol.

[downward_s]

Brilliant, what a great bit of Christmas news! :-D

Now, if only I could run it on one of the 23 machines I have, I would actually buy it in an instant :boohoo:

David

[Seehund]

However - well done Hyperion. You have delivered OS4 to us. What next? and when?

The actual delivery of OS4, perhaps?
The old "When it's done" smiley was not only meaningless, but also false. Here, have a remake:


 :-D  :cry:

[neon32]

Ugh, Seehund, you already posted a similar post on Aw.net and got it deleted... What is your problem man? Stop attention craving.

[Seehund]

@neon32:

There are now 55 posts saying what's also said on aw.net and elsewhere, some of them are 1:1 verbatim copies. At least the post you're complaining about can now only be read here. Pick on someone else. What's your problem, man?

[mikeymike]

The actual delivery of OS4, perhaps?
The old "When it's done" smiley was not only meaningless, but also false.

Well, saying that a product has now hit 'release' status', then not doing anything about shipping it would certainly be a new business tactic (aka.  Seehund, your cynicism knows no bounds - pressing CDs or even just ripping them is a lot easier than mass-producing hardware... christ, I could do it).  Kudos to Hyperion, it looks like they actually finished it.  I'm a little surprised myself.

Of course, hardware yadda yadda yadda, but now that apparently there's a ready-to-sell OS for it,  a proposal to sell hardware for it looks more rosy than a proposal for hardware without an OS other than Linux.

It would be nice if the Amiga community have good cause in 2007 to be less cynical (e.g. half-decent hardware to accompany a hopefully decent operating system release).

[coldfish]

Well done, I guess.

Perhaps now Hype' can get on with porting it to x86 or maybe PS3 or some other brilliant idea?

C'mon, you hafta laugh at the breathtaking futility of it all.

 :-P