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ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« on: December 07, 2002, 05:29:25 PM »
I just disassembled my trusty A1200 and found something quite disturbing.

Around the contacts of the battery in the BlizPPC there's some dry yellow residu. If I poke it it crumbles to a sort of dust like stuff. Is this harmfull battery acid or just a left over of the manufacturing process?

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Upon closer inspection I also found this junk on some soldering points of a transistor on my BVision....

If it is battery acid then how did it get on the BVis? That stuff can't crawl, now can it? Or should I call Sigourney Weaver  :-o .

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2002, 05:38:23 PM »
It doesn't look good.

You can clean the top of the board, but it sounds like it's already worked itself into the board.

I'm sorry.

I hope it's the kind of battery that can be replaced.
 

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2002, 05:43:26 PM »
Yeah it's one of them flat 'button' type batteries. But do batteries normally leak after only 4 years?? Also the Blizz still works good.

How should I clean it? Just spit on it and rub? ;-)

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2002, 05:47:40 PM »
I have seen batteries leaking after just a few months, so it is possible. sorry :-(  :-(  :-(

Does the PPC-card still work???
 

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2002, 05:49:21 PM »
@Guyver: Yeah, it does still work (well it did a month ago when I last fired my A1200 up).

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2002, 06:05:15 PM »
well then turn it on again,a dn id it still works, I dont see any probz in just replaysing the battery. :-)
 

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2002, 06:09:46 PM »
But shouldn't the goo be cleaned of?

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2002, 06:11:51 PM »
Yeah,

With a mixture of soda and water. (toothbrush is what I use)

(if anyone has a better mixture, you're welcome to comment)

That will neutralize the acid effects to a certain extent.

But if you don't replace the battery, it will do no good.

Remember, this is my opinion...
I'm not someone who works on hardware for a living, and probably a good thing too.   :)

I don't know what you mean by flat battery, but if it is removable, even by melting the solder, I would take it off and replace it with a new type battery that doesn't leak.

You've got to replace it with a same spec battery though.

If it's not too late that is.
 

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2002, 06:59:00 PM »
The stuff around the battery contacts could very well be leaking acid, but the residue around the transistor solder points could also possibly be just solder flux that has been left over from the soldering process.  It has a tendency to powder and crumble over time.  Might not be the crisis you anticipated,  I hope it turns out to be benign. :-D
 

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2002, 10:45:40 PM »
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With a mixture of soda and water. (toothbrush is what I use)

(if anyone has a better mixture, you're welcome to comment)

That will neutralize the acid effects to a certain extent.

But if you don't replace the battery, it will do no good.

Remember, this is my opinion...
I'm not someone who works on hardware for a living, and probably a good thing too.   :)


First get he board out, then this is exactly what you do.  Ditch the battrey, clearn the board, give it 48 hours dry time after you pat the excess water off.  Then replace the battrey with a new one.

Lucky you that everything still works.  But GET THAT ACID OFF THE BOARD!

I saw a hint of that yellow stuff on my A4000 battrey and ripped the puppy right off.  Yes, right now I am setting the clock by hand every time I turn the machine on, but that is cheaper than a new motherboard, as if I could FIND one.
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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2002, 10:58:59 PM »
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With a mixture of soda and water. (toothbrush is what I use)


Try to get hold of some PCB cleaner in spraycan.
This is electrically non-conductive & will remove the
excess solder flux from the Bvision board as well.

But as Tesral said
"GET THAT ACID OFF THE BOARD ASAP"
It will eat the copper tracks & if the board is multi-layer
It may not be an easy fix :(
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1 x 2000 in perfect order, 4 x 3000 all working not all perfectly :(
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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2002, 11:50:46 PM »
Judging by the fact the same yellow residue is around other soldered
joints on the board, it's more than likely just the the flux hasn't
been washed off properly.

Leaking batteries are usually more obvious as the end plates and
terminals of the battery appear white and "frosted".


With the wave soldering process, most manufactures are now using
"environmentally friendly" water soluable flux.
After the wave soldering process, the boards are sent through a flux
removal process, which if not set up perfectly, often does not remove
all traces of the flux.  The flux then dries and forms a yellow/white
powdery residue around the soldered joints.
Sometimes this can appear like liquid (water) corrosion.

As the flux is heat activated by the soldering process, it's innert at
room temperature, so should not cause any problems by leaving it on
there.
The worst thing that might happen, is that in very a high humidity,
the residue may absorb moisture from the air, and cause some minor
electrical conduction between soldered joints, causing equipment
malfunction.


If it concerns you, and you really want to remove it, the best thing
to use is a product called "fluxclean" made by Electrolube.
The next best choice is isopropyl alcohol.

If you want a more accurite opinion of the problem, send me a high-res
image of the effected areas.

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2002, 09:27:59 PM »
Wierd, mine is still working since bought (towered).
But as part of your clean up, go get a can of compressed air (radio shack) and blast it from a distance, clear and clean.

You will have to solder the thing back on to the new battery. You should be fine.

My blizz board melted the ppc fan eventually, but still works fine with just case fans - look out for that...

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Re: ARGH HELP! Leaking BlizPPC battery???
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2002, 09:37:18 PM »
@castellen:

I've finally been able to nick the digicam of my housemate and took some pics:

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3

Pic 4

Pic 5

I hope you can see something on these pics.

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@TheGoose: Mine still functions nicely (well, as if PPC stuff ever functions nicely but that's a different story ;-)).

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No fear - soloution is here ;-)
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2002, 10:00:33 PM »
Dont worry just send your board to DCE for replacement of the battery......... Then worry :-)



No seriously, judging from your pictures it doesn't look like battery acid. I think the acid usually looks more powdered/dusty.

Anyway if it is easy to get off remove it and change your battery, just to be 100% certain no damage will happen to your board.
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