New OS4 Community Portal

[benJamin]

I was only thinking the other day about the chance of Nazi references in a thread being proportional to its length seemed to be something that didn't affect Amiga.org and decided not to bring it up.

I stand corrected.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Plaz

I've missed something maybe. Which method is offensive? Someone set up some new threads and began posting announcements for others to join. Was there more to it, or just more being made of it?

Yes there was more to it. Mikey C (and the few others) had a campaign going some weeks in advance to rally negative feelings about problems that in fact never even existed. It was done through polls and regular threads. In retroperspective, it was oriented towards a certain goal and it was done with great determination. Many untrue insults towards other sites and site admins was handed out to the left and to the right in the process (and it left scars, at least one good moderator (one of the best IMHO) resigned during this). Basicly they built up a virtual bad spirit and atmosphere that would help boosting their next step; initiating an exodus to their own site, where they even tried to put up shameless marketing on the very same site they just earlier *abused*, with the purpose of detracting people away from it (they also shamelessly leeched news-contents etc from it). I am glad that it doesn't seem to work. At least it does not work as good as it did the first time the same people did this.

That new site-that-shall-not-be-mentioned is not "pro" OS4, it is *against* everything else. It's not love-driven, it's hate-driven. Its purpose is not for the good of Amiga, it's about creating community split (the community is the only thing left on this platform that has any value, and a joint community is a prerequisite for any kind of future IMHO). It's a mean of enforcing "racism" (yes I do see many similarities to real life racism in those peoples views and actions) instead of unity; keeping the pure separated from the rest. It is not in good spirit, it's pure bad intent all the way through.

If you read between the lines, you may notice that there is a handful of hateful people that wants to "punish" and "strike back". Those are the people that started this new site. I know that "Atheist" is not the most suitable source in any case, but I believe he actually manage to put these feelings in words through his posts in threads like this for instance ("muahaha who is laughing *now*, this is what happens, I bet you are sorry for not listening to us before", etc).

And I think it's ironic that AW.net has become really peaceful (with the same amount of traffic and posts), while the new site-that-shall-not-be-mentioned seems to be the war-zone they believe exist "on the outside". I mean, is there a single thread over at that site that has not been moderated? And this only at 250 users? Imagine the situation if that would double!

[amigacooke]

Another spat in the ever decreasing "Amiga community".

I think it is amusing for any part of the  community to label any other part unstable when we're all clearly as mad as a brush to be hanging around the Amiga at all.

More proof that all the "Amiga community" does well anymore is vicious in-fighting.

[Troels_E]

Looks like Amigans.net can be a great site.

Agreed much depends on the moderators but it's nice to find a site where OS4 is 98% of whats discussed.

Still AW.net, Amiga.org and Aiga-news.de will also be on top of my bookmarks but it's nice with a site that ONLY have OS4 as their area.

Don't get all this whining and intolerance towards the new site, all sites mentioned above complements each other for many people.

[jj]

you hav egot to laugh
First of all, thank you all for joining. We are very glad you came. Hopefully you'll stay too.

Couple of things I would like to share with you if I may.

1: This site is for the promotion and support of AmigaOS4 and beyond Only (inc assosciated hardware).
We will also support/welcome AOS3.x & Emulation users as well. (But not promote OS3.x for obvious reasons)

2: This site will NOT be an open house to other platforms.
I urge you all to read the Terms of Service on the LEFT to see that our Terms of Service here are very different to elsewhere.

3: Whilst this is a site geared towards OS4 and beyond, we will not tolerate the slagging off/putting down of other platforms or OS's on this webportal, nor individuals.

4: Trolls from other sites will not be welcome on this site, if anyone trolls on this site, action will be taken immediately. Do not try our patience as we have none.

5: We reserve the right as to who is allowed to use this site. Usage/Posting of this site is a privilage not a right. (See Terms of Service)

Finally, We ask each of you to tell any other OS4/OS3 user about the site and invite them onboard.


Do not feed the trolls elsewhere and do not post about this site on any other amiga related web portal.

If during the course of a forum discussion, someone asks where we are, pm them privately and tell them, as long as they meet our criteria, i.e. OS4/Classic/Emulation user, they are welcome

Thank you, enjoy this site.


my fav bit is, thought I dont know hoee theey will enforce it....

"Do not feed the trolls elsewhere and do not post about this site on any other amiga related web portal. "  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[itix]

Still AW.net, Amiga.org and Aiga-news.de will also be on top of my bookmarks but it's nice with a site that ONLY have OS4 as their area.

To split hairs, not really... they have also AmigaOS3 and Amiga emulation as their area :-)

[pixie]

Refrain from personal insults. f***tard is a personal insult.

Beside being trademarked by Polyhead...

[humppa]

@Troels

Agreed much depends on the moderators but it's nice to find a site where OS4 is 98% of whats discussed.

Hmm, let me see:

OS4-related: 531 posts
Classic/Emulation-related: 323 posts
Site-related/Other stuff: 771 posts

So OS4 is roughly about 33% of what's being discussed.  :-D

[bhoggett]

@itix:

To split hairs, not really... they have also AmigaOS3 and Amiga emulation as their area.

It's not about discussing OS4 at all - that's just a smokescreen.

What it is about - what it has always been about for those people - is the name! If it carries the "Amiga" name and is therefore blessed with official approval it's good, anything else - specially if it's seen as a direct alternative - is "undesirable", to use their own terminology. That's why there was so much venom directed at Amiga.org for allowing discussion on "non-approved" topics, and why AWN is now being accused of the same things AO was accused of when Mikey_C led his "exodus". Dogma and zealotry is at the heart of it, however much certain people protest. Tolerance cannot be tolerated.

Isn't it food for thought that the people who make most noise about wanting to get away from flamewars by starting their own forums always seem to be in the thick of it when flamewars start?

I wonder what would happen if all the leaders of the various factions got locked in a small room without food until they came to their senses and agreed a common solution they could all work towards... I suspect they'd all starve to death first.

[Plaz]

Yes there was more to it. Mikey C (and the few others) had a campaign going some weeks in advance to rally negative feelings about problems that in fact never even existed. It was done through polls and regular threads.

I'll have to disagree there. I've mentioned before that even I had become annoyed with AW threads. Would I be including in the in the group imagining what never existed?

I read many of those recent treads and participated in some. Sure there was the usual disagreement and camp sentiment, but to say it was a new planned campain is your own speculation. There had been talk of an alternate portal long before this. There have been public postings in threads on the topic and probably many PM's on the subject. I was included in some PM's, but I wasn't aware a site had been planned and built. Some folks just finally got worked up enough to finally jump ship. The rest seems to be just conspiracy theory for me.

I mean, is there a single thread over at that site that has not been moderated?

Yup, I've been modded. First time ever I think. The difference is they are not leaving the modded posts on the thread. My post and others were totally deleted as off-topic. So visitors can't see the modded post if they no longer exist. Can't say I agree with that, but it's their house, so when I visit it's their rules.

handful of hateful people that wants to "punish" and "strike back"

True in any group, town, city, state, country, planet. Don't act suprised.

And I think it's ironic that AW.net has become really peaceful

The people you parry with most are frequenting some where else and the quietness is ironic?

Clear fact is there are those on both sides who will not agree, continue to argue, and are probably best left with a buffer between them. I also wish others slinging insults and exagerations both directions would give it a rest. Fat chance.

Plaz

[hooligan]

Why so much negativity towards the new site? Maybe this site is what MorphZone is for MorphOS.. a site 95% concentrated to one OS.

Whats wrong with that?



fixed typo

[hooligan]

Redrumloa said:
Just for the record, discussion of other platforms and Ami* like solutions besides MorphOS is allowed on MorphZone.

Allowed, not encouraged ;-)

[redrumloa]

Poster: hooligan  Posted: 2006/12/6 10:44:46

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Redrumloa said:
Just for the record, discussion of other platforms and Ami* like solutions besides MorphOS is allowed on MorphZone.


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Allowed, not encouraged

Yup, but allowed. Also Targgy doesn't preemptively ban users and hack/slash moderate as site policy.

[neon32]

I'm sure he would if things started getting out of hand.

[bhoggett]

@hooligan:

Why so much negativity towards the new site? Maybe this site it what MorphZone is for MorphOS.. a site 95% concentrated to one OS.

Whats wrong with that?

Nothing - except that it's exactly what AWN was supposed to be. Yes, AWN has changed and the zealots have left their positions of power but why is that?

Could it be that the vast majority of people get tired of the taste of each others bum-holes after a while and look for some lively discussion, debate and fresh ideas?

The zealots feel that the "Book of Amiga" is like the Bible to Christians or the Qur'an to Muslims, its teachings inviolate and unchanging. Fresh ideas that may not originate from approved sources are seen as heretical and subversive. The failure of doctrine to yield results is down to bad luck or sabotage by evil adversaries, not because the doctrine is faulty to start with. Never let it be hinted at that the leadership may be inept or out of touch with reality - that's akin to sheer sacrilege.

[AmiGR]

I've totally missed that part of the conversation. Where is that spelled out? If it's true, I definitly don't agree with their intentions.

Atheist's and TrollieWallie's posts on Moobunny are a good indication, they are both members. A few other people have been doing exactly the same on IRC.

I have to stress this: I have no problem with the existence of the site at all, if some people want OS4 only discussions, fair enough, it's fine. Saying that, I find no reason for them to support classics or emulation users at all, I don't think that anyone ever got flamed on AW or A.org when talking about classics, by any faction. It defeats the site's purpose, IMHO.