Hyperion Entertainment Q&A Chat Log

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@uncharted:

Well, it can't be greed as it's got 5 letters. So which word is it? ;-) :lol:

[uncharted]

:roll: Erm, why it's, er, GOLD of course :roll:

Phew! I almost look stupid then :-D

[The_Editor]

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[Tigger]

The only thing I can't understand, is that they have to pay separate sums after both the hardware and the software? Why?

Because Eyetech has to pay for the right to call there hardware AmigaOne, as well as pay for the right to include 0S4 with the hardware.  
    -Tig

[Tigger]

It seems wildly innacurate. Eyetech clearly stated in the price breakdown of the Micro AmigaOne that they were paying $100/board to Amiga Inc while that contract says that Eyetech would have to pay only $25.

I'd love to see where Eyetech actually said the above, I'll take it here or privately if you would rather.  Now 0S4 has been valued at $100 several times (starting with the Party Pack buyers who were to get a FREE copy of 0S4, a $100 value), but I dont think you are going to find Alan saying that he was paying $100 for the OS for his boards.
    -Tig

[Waccoon]

Zacman:  It's more worse talking BS when you actually know what is going on...

A liar is someone who knows what the truth is, and explicitly denies it.  A BS'er is someone who just doesn't care what the truth is.

Tigger:  I'd love to see where Eyetech actually said the above, I'll take it here or privately if you would rather. Now 0S4 has been valued at $100 several times (starting with the Party Pack buyers who were to get a FREE copy of 0S4, a $100 value), but I dont think you are going to find Alan saying that he was paying $100 for the OS for his boards.

What matters is what the customers [will] pay for the whole system.  If Hyperion is in no hurry to make a "classic" port of OS4, it's hardly worth guessing the value of the software.

[dammy]

that At the Beginning.. Hyperion publicly (and privately) announced that OS4 Would be final in THREE MONTHS (target was march 2002)..

Wasn't that for the escena/eyetech board ? Things went a bit different there... If that board was made who knows, we would be up to OS4.5 now maybe.

It's taking HOW many years to port it from Escena to Teron mobos?  If you were just THREE MONTHS away from a final release, that is.  :-o

Dammy

[uncharted]

OS4 pre-A1/Teron, is not the same OS 4 as now. (and you know that)

What would of been huge chunks of the OS4 upgrade were already well-progressed at that time*, and predated even the "on-schedule and rocking" period.  Three months was not inconceivable for OS3.9PPC + BB4 a-la H+P's original plan.

For whatever reason the plan was revised while waiting for the hardware, perhaps it was the threat of MorphOS, perhaps it was to satisfy a potential customer of the time.  No-one except those making the plans knows.

In some ways I'm disappointed with this choice, in others I think it was the right thing to do.

*independently of Amiga Inc., whether as a continuation of 3.9 or separately I don't know.

[Tigger]

What matters is what the customers [will] pay for the whole system. If Hyperion is in no hurry to make a "classic" port of OS4, it's hardly worth guessing the value of the software.

I'm not guessing at the value of the software, several people have said now that Alan said he was paying $100 to include OS4 on his boards, if that really happened, I'd like to see the source.  That will tell us about how much its going to cost to add it to Vixen or Troika, and give us a look at what kind of money Hyperion is bringing in for each unit.
     -Tig

[Tigger]

Poster: Hattig  Posted: 2005/12/28 19:00:34

I'm more interested in the PDA comment, about Amiga OS 4 booting on a PDA currently, at 240x320.

That must mean that OS4 is also compiling for ARM based architectures, unless someone has made a PowerPC based PDA. It might not be optimised that much ... the only thing it would need is software. Bum.

Both previous references to 0S4 running on a PDA have pointed to a PPC based one from IBM, I dont think this is any different.  The screen is even the little 240x320 that they are talking about.  And is uses the PPC405 that Hyperion was going on about running there OS on now.  
      -Tig

[joe_avarage]

BTW: For all of you who recommend a business proposal and what not. Did Intel know, what they were building in 1971 ?

They were contracted to build an integrated circuit - nobody believed in it. They couldn't make it in time. The contractor canceld the contract. Intel was left behind with a 80% finished chip - you name it, the 4004. They finished it on their own cost. Their managers had the opinion, this product will never break even - they simply did not see a market for it. 6 month later, Intel was the biggest chip factory on the planet!

At first, they didn't even know what they were building (the design was done by some uni professors), they didn't even know what their target market was. One year after launch they sent out their managers to investigate, why people wanted the chip.

This world is build on dreams. It's about time, the dry businuess thinking gets a little bit, err, 'lifted' or 'smoothened". No matter what people want you make to believe, a lot of things are there, because they did not make sence (what about Star Wars, or ...)

[Waccoon]

6 month later, Intel was the biggest chip factory on the planet!

Hmm... it's been 6 years since Amiga Inc. has been in charge, and OS4 has been in development for several years, and has already be "pre-released."

OS4 is basicly a catch-up product, too.

Gobs of fame coming in, yet?  I think not.

If Hyperion had started with an existing OS and built a new desktop, and used a VP (not VM) language, I'd have more faith in their dream.

This world is build on dreams.

Yeah, yeah.  But, some people are better dreamers than others.  Unlike in the 70's, people don't build revolutionary computers in their basements.  Linux is an exception, I suppose, but the development strategy for open-source software is very different than commercial projects, and Linux has yet to have that big surge in poularity that has been anticipated for half a decade.  Plus, it was designed to be a cheap UNIX clone, not a revolutionary new OS.  The usability was already designed, and hasn't changed a lot over the last decade.

Heh.  I remember when my brother-in-law (who writes Java OSes for cell phones) told me Windows would be dead in three years.  That was three years ago.  :-)