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Why I had to leave
« on: October 17, 2003, 10:06:59 PM »
Most of the reasons for the Amiga's death have been posted already, but I abondonned it twice, for different reasons.

In 1995 I bought my first PC which effectively retired my A1200.  The reason then was that all my Amiga owning friends had left the platform and got PC's. As the only remaining Amiga user I felt increasingly behind the times. At work it was all PC's, I was in support looking after them! Pentiums had arrived and the cost of upgrading the A1200 was too high when I could get a brand new PC on interest free credit!

A couple of years later, on my second or third clone by now, my dual boot 95/NT4 PC had once again ####ed itself up and was refusing to boot. I made an on the spot decission to return to the Amiga. I had plenty of cash at the time and was sick to death of the comparable instabillity of the PC. I remember thinking at the time that I must have reinstalled windows on personal and work machines hundreds of times in my few years to rectify fault yet could not recall one single incident where I'd had to reinstall AmigaOS.

The VERY NEXT DAY I phoned Eyetech, ordered a brand new A1200T with dual 060/PPC240MHz+SCSI, 128MB RAM (I think) VGA adapter so I could use my monitor, 3.1 roms and the new OS etc, all the bells & whistles. I'd kept buying Amiga magazines and knew what hardware was available so I ordered it all ;)

Cost me well clear of £1k including SCSI drive, SCSI CDBurner & SCSI ZIP Drive.

When it arrived I formatted the NT disk, threw the PC into the corner and slotted in the Amiga and installed the OS. I was home again. I was so pleased to be back where I belonged, on the Amiga, and just about the fastest Amiga you could buy. Particularly so once I got my BVision some months later.

I had the money now to spend on the hardware and keep up with PCs. Last year I abandonned the Amiga again. This time it was for reasons I just could not see improving:-

1. Constant promises by the idiots at Amiga and in the Amiga press about new hardware, new OS. A long time after I had realised, thanks to the BoXeR, that nothing could be trusted and nothing should be expected.

2. The internet. YAM was great. AmIRC was, and still is, THE best IRC client. When it came to browsers, my god did the Amiga browsers suck. They were good efforts, all credit to the developers, but the PC was moving so fast that the Amiga was rapidly becoming hopeless. Plenty of promises about Opera ports,  mozilla source, all broken in the end. I eventually installed MacOS and Netscape which kept me going for a while.

3. My Amiga didn't power on one day, it was a minor problem that I fixed quickly but it scared me. I realised that with Phase5 long dead and quoted fixtimes for their boards measured in several months that if my Amiga were to die on me I would be completely and totally screwed. With only Eyetech and Power dealing Amiga and everyone else abroad and slow, me knowing no other Amiga users, moving into web development professionally and having to rely on Amiga browsers  and once again starting to lag behind the world on the hardware front, only this time with no Phase5 around to save the day, well, all I had to cling to were yet more promises of a distant AmigaOne and OS4. I sold up. I dn't regret it, I regret having no real choice.

With the profits from the Sale I built an Athlon PC and purchased a few small upgrades for my spare A1200 so that I still had a decent enough Amiga. It's sat here with me, it doesn't get much use these days but it is always there when I need it.

I look at sites like this every few months to see if there are any new developments. I was surprised and pleased to see the AmigaOne actually arrive but to me it just looks like a very slow and expensive  way to run Linux :/

If it were possible for me to dive back into the Amiga with decent, modern hardware, I'd be there in a second. But that will never happen. Certainly not now the latest Amiga Inc seem to have proved as useless as all previous incarnations.

I don't even know if they still exist, their site is down, perhaps they're bankrupt.

Selling the Amiga that second time was painful. I love the Amiga, it's a very special machine to me that changed the course of my life. I loved being part of the rebellion against Micro$oft. I loved being different. There's not much I wouldn't do to roll back the IT clock to the days when I, and the rest of the Amiga community, could sit back, smug in the knowledge that *we* were the enlightened ones and our machines were the most amazing computers ever built.
 

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2003, 10:20:56 PM »
AmigaOS4 is now being ported to amigaone by hyperion, the beta allready runs on it... It is supposed to be released early next year  :-)  AmigaINCs site worked last time when i visited it a couple of days ago, but seems to be down now yeah.

But one thing i am sure on, there will be an OS4
 

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2003, 10:21:56 PM »
Nice story, and welcome to Amiga.org.

Yea, there have been alot of stories like yours here.  But I am kinda in the same situation.  I did and still have my Amiga 1200, but then PC just started to become cheaper and more games were available for it. At heart, the Amiga is still the best, but in reality, we have to be with these evil PCs :)
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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2003, 10:30:38 PM »
Oops, sorry, that was supposed to be a reply to the 'Why Amiga died' thread. I'll get used to it ;)
 

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2003, 10:31:15 PM »
The more you use a pc with windows the more you become aware how unreliable and prone to a reinstall they are and the more i love my old a1200 i prefer make cd on an a1200 to nero on a pc of  which new vesions seem to be crap. :-)
I once had an amigaone xe but sold it .

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2003, 10:42:54 PM »
Your reasons are very valid ones, and I might have done the same if I hadn't been very lucky. But now I have a Pegasos with a choice between Debian and a very Amigalike OS, MorphOS, and it's like having a compromise between the hardware power and reliability of a PC and the usability of Amiga. I'll be staying with this a while, I hope. For me, using Windows for recreation was never really an option I could stomach.
 

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2003, 11:11:28 PM »
@DarkGlobe

I understand your reasons.  I am rather saddened that you did not even try a Pegasos, or checked out one of the many public demos first.
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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2003, 11:43:57 PM »
I understand your reasons, however, why not have both systems? I have my PC system that I surf the net with and I have my A4000T on the same desk. You can still enjoy the best of both worlds.

Just because the Amiga lacks in one area, is it a reason to sell it? Just have a PC aswell, simple?
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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2003, 12:04:27 AM »
As I stated, I do still have an Amiga, an A1200 40MHz 030 with 32MB RAM. I use it occasionally, playing the old games I love & I'll occasionally use DPaint as it's still the best animation software around, for me anyway.

What I don't do is use it for things that it can do just because it can. Most of what I do now is on PC because it has to be. I'm a web application developer so it makes no sense to switch to the Amiga to, say, download my emails or log on to IRC/ICQ, it would be very innefficient to do so.

My Amiga is plumbed in to my network with samba installed and Miami able to access the net through my router, it is still useful kit.

I use Redhat here occasionally and am slowly getting up to speed there and expect one day to move to Linux permanently, I will probably write code for the open source community when I feel I can help.

Please though, can someone explain to me what pagasos is, I had not heard of it before landing here. I'm certainly interested. Be nice to hear something positive with regard to the Amiga.
 

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2003, 12:30:15 AM »
@DarkGlobe

The Pegasos is a PowerPC based motherboard, much like the AmigaONE, and comes with the AmigaOS compatible OS, MorphOS.  It comes with Firewire, USB, onboard audio including digital audio output, gigabit and 10/100  ethernet, and uses DDR-RAM.  

You can check it out here:

http://www.pegasosppc.com
http://www.morphos.net
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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2003, 12:53:52 AM »
There's always open source AROS.

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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2003, 01:15:08 AM »
The pegasos never was an option for me since it would not run OS 4.0.  I bought an AmigaOne G4 and I am very happy with it (Debian is a little ruff around the edges but it is okay).  OS4.0 will be here soon, and I have even more confidence after seeing it running on the AmigaOne.  As far as Amiga International, Bye Bye, they were holding us back if anything.  Personally, I think Eyetech or Hyperion or both should be in charge.


Believe it or not, I stuck to the Amiga all these years.  I just couldn't stomach Windows, and after using such a stable and dynamic OS, I guess I got spoiled.


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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2003, 01:35:34 AM »
this might sound like flaim bate but its late in the day....

I find it kinda ironic how all the pegasos users on here suddenly start jumping up and down shouting "try out the wonderfull pegasos" everytime an amiga user decides hes had enough....

anyway as i say its late so im going to bed...
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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2003, 01:40:37 AM »
@Ryu

Would you rather them just fade into oblivion?  The majority say "there's nothing new" when, in fact, there is.  That Amiga user saved by having a choice that is availible today, namely the Pegasos and MorphOS, is another Amiga user you have a chance to sell AmigaOS 4 to when it comes out.

If our roles were reversed, I'd be happy that, if nothing else, the community retained a member, even if he broke the egg on the big end vs the little.  That gives me one more set of eyes to show my product to when it would come out.

Do you hate the thought that MorphOS is part of the community so much that you'd rather the person leave the community entirely rather than run "that other OS."
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Re: Why I had to leave
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2003, 01:49:43 AM »
My story goes something like this.

Been an Amiga fan since Jesus's birth. Used it for many years until at one point started using it less and less. But still using it.. waiting for something to happen on Amiga-front.
One day I pointed my browser at some newssite (amiga.org or ann.lu) and saw the Amiga Inc.'s coupon scam.
From that minute I totally lost all motivation to Amiga scene: the scam was so obvious.

There was lots of talk about it on irc and someone pointed me to Pegasos/MorphOS. At first I laughed at it.. being just another scam among the coupon-fraud. And then I saw a possibility to buy a Pegasos for $299.. I was told it's OS was so much Amiga-like I wouldn't believe it, so I ordered.

The first day I used MorphOS, I liked it. I gave my Amiga to my brother.. and I sincerily have to say I haven't missed it. MorphOS does everything I did on Amiga, and lots more.
Whats best, MOS made me to abandon Windows pretty much completely,  plus kept my interest to Amigascene.
So in a way I have left Amiga too as I am not using it, but in a way I have not as I have a similar product at hand, only better, and I am still interested whats going on around Amiga.