H&P: AmigaOS4 design competition

[Warface]

How much money do you think Genesi are losing by someone using some icons from morphos, that could have been cropped from a morphos screenshot anyway?

Probably the same damage, when I'm using bits of my legal AmigaOS3.1 under MorphOS? :-) I have some faint recollection of some Bill McEwen being very sensitive upon such issues... :-) (As the latest Executive Update seems to date from 23-Dec-01, it's rather hard to find it, however.)

Copyright OFFTOPIC: Did you know that amiga.hu received threats from Amiga Inc. to either pay or remove copyrighted Amiga Inc material (eg. the Amiga logo) back in the McEwen period? Did you know that pegasos.hu received a Genesi 'Best of Web Award' instead of threats for using Genesi copyrighted material? Just mentioning as a side note  :-D

[System]

Almost every Amiga site that I can think of has at one time or another, been threatened by Fleecy and company.  It's one of the major reasons that they're not on my Christmas card list, though compared to our only alternative I'll take McEwen and Fleecy any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.  

It's really too bad for everyone concerned that there is simply no honor amongst the two companies that have intentionally ripped this community apart.

[KennyR]

xeron wrote:
Jesus christ people, when did you all become "copyright crusaders"?

I wouldn't even care normally, but given these wild accusations over the past years that "MorphOS was a ripped off AmigaOS based on stolen AmigaOS code" and the current "MorphOS users are pirates, the freeware crowd", I think the irony and hypocrisy has reached too much of a level to be ignored.

We wouldn't want OS4 users to get the reputation of pirates, or OS4 as a reputation of a ripped off version of MorphOS, would we?

How much money do you think Genesi are losing by someone using some icons from morphos, that could have been cropped from a morphos screenshot anyway?

Money isn't the only reason you protect your intellectual property. Ask JoBBo how he feels about everyone ripping off his stuff. Maybe even track down Martin Huttenlöher and ask him how he felt when shops started selling Amigas using his MagicWB icons - without paying him a cent.

[KennyR]

Cockney_dave wrote:
Errrrr.... buy Mac OS X maybe as that's where a lot of the icons in Toaks screenshots originate, not Morph OS.

Most are from MacOS X. Some are from MorphOS (for example, the ATC icon).

[KennyR]

Wayne wrote:
It's one of the major reasons that they're not on my Christmas card list, though compared to our only alternative I'll take McEwen and Fleecy any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

McEwen and Fleecy never were an option.

[xeron]

the freeware crowd", I think the irony and hypocrisy has reached too much of a level to be ignored.

Because a *user* of OS4 of happens to have some icons on his desktop? Come on! Those grabs don't even have ANYTHING to do with H&P's competition, let alone Hyperion.

We wouldn't want OS4 users to get the reputation of pirates, or OS4 as a reputation of a ripped off version of MorphOS, would we?

I've never said anything either way on the subject, but I don't think anyone ever accused the MorphOS *USERS* of being responsible for the usage of stolen code in MorpOS (NOTE: I'm not saying there is any stolen code in there, just that the users werent blamed for it by people who said there was).

Money isn't the only reason you protect your intellectual property. Ask JoBBo how he feels about everyone ripping off his stuff.

I honestly doubt JoBBo is terribly upset by ONE end-user using some icons he drew. Its not like they're shipping with OS4, or feature in official OS4 publicity shots. If you really care, why don't you ask him?

[DavidF215]

After what H&P did with Amithlon and others, no one should support this company or any of their products. Who needs Amithlon anyways when AmigaForever 6 is available?

[preach] They can take ArtEffect with them on their way to hell. [/preach] Kind of like what the good priest told the bad priest in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. That's how I really feel about the H&P issue.

Regarding the copyright thing: I don't know. Ask the company lawyer. Some companies don't care if their logos and graphic images are used for "innocent" purposes while other companies do care. Taking another's work for selfish gain is unethical, but some companies/people have no good ethics.

"Oh, why can't we all just get along?"

[Warface]

There are still no details.

[System]

"Oh, why can't we all just get along?"

First, you vilify a company, and even worse, the people involved based on nothing but your own opinion of your side of what you THINK happened, then you want to know why we can't "just get along"??

Makes no sense.  

Here's the thing.  There is no company in the Amiga arena who hasn't been crucified by stupidity and public opinion (based on rumors and heresay).  The only exception in my personal memory is Nova Design who've always acted with honor and integrity.

In all honesty, it's a damned wonder that there are ANY companies left supporting the Amiga (including myself and the moderators of this site) considering the ready availability of people who're willing to sling mud without the benefit of facts.

Wayne

[Karlos]

@Wayne

Several of those icons come from icon sets that are ONLY available on the official MorphOS CD or on the MorphOS FTP (only available to Pegasos owners). They were produced under licence. Ergo, their use by someone who doesn't own a Pegasos or a MorphOS CD is piracy. Say what you like, that's the law. Whether or not they're used in a screenshot is immaterial.

I can distinctly remeber Toaks claiming to own a Pegasos 1 at some point. If he still has it, using  icons from it on another system can be viewed as no more legally dubious than any emulation, surely :-?

[lempkee]

kennyr: i own pegasos Superbundle ..


i threw the pegasos out but the sw is still here and last i checked ..I OWN IT so i can use it how ever i want it.

i could use it as a frisbee or use the icons.

AMIGAOS4 ROXX.