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Re: DR GARRY HARE AMIWEST SPEECH
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2004, 03:58:11 AM »
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Moss and McEwen are employees of the new company.

Must've been part of the deal.  Personally, I'd fire their sorry butts.
 

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Re: DR GARRY HARE AMIWEST SPEECH
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2004, 05:02:42 AM »
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The Tao renegotiations speak volumes about the pivotal role intent will have in all this.


I imagine Tao negotiations are needed for KMOS to supply AmigaDE to the Pegasos, if nothing else.

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2004, 07:32:09 AM »
Amiga is in better hands than it has been in a long time.  

I'm glad I drop in every once in a while to check in on the status of the amiga community.

I especially hope the amiga-owned developer site is invigorated...even though I wasn't reading a transcript..I hope its accurate my understanding of what I read, that they are going to finally make DE a product that people can buy without silly secret agreements....since most developers eschew such headaches.

I said it when KMOS was first announced, and I'll re-iterate it again, KMOS is the best thing to happen to Amiga.

personally I no longer consider myself an amigan, and I think they vastly exaggerate the 'developer' community around amiga, its diminished so much, that most people left are most definately not serious developers....

but, thats a minor criticism, of an overall great 'text' and good plan for the future.
 

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2004, 11:47:11 AM »
Reading recent comments I'd expect Ask Fleecy at Amiga.org soon. We are in the year 2000 again.

And I wonder.. everyone knows DE is dead. There are no developers anymore, there is no new software anymore, most of DE developers left or went for an A1.

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Re: DR GARRY HARE AMIWEST SPEECH
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2004, 11:58:25 AM »
@KennyR

>Which only feeds the accusations that KMOS is not actually a new company at all.

If I would employ Garda, I would become bplan?

>Same employees,

KMOS bought AmigaInc with AmigaDE. It is logical that they employ some AmigaInc people, unless they are going to waste everything AmigaInc is worth.
Read what Garry said before you post.

>same product, same kind of talk, same aims.

I see some differense in all of those.

>But just no debtors. Hmm.

Why not? I'm sure they are there. It seems KMOS is paying some of the unpaid debt already.
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Re: DR GARRY HARE AMIWEST SPEECH
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2004, 12:09:26 PM »
"but from what I can tell, there's no indication that there will ever be an OS4.1?"
It's Hyperion's business. Read another interview.



@Colin_Camper

"I thought that, because most of what was going to be 4.1 is going into 4.0, that 4.1 was just going to be a bug fix boing bag."

That has never been the plan. New features have been planned in 4.1. Thing like reworked workbench, Warp3D Nova, etc... not sure about the current plan of the whole content.
(Ben Hermans mentioned some other things in his interview)

"My take on Garry's speech is that he wants to develop AmigaOS into a ultra fast, lean and stable OS."

Yes, something like that.

"The Tao renegotiations speak volumes about the pivotal role intent will have in all this."

AmigaDE is almost 100% unrelated to AOS plan.
I got the feeling that Garry is going to use AmigaDE developers to help to bring AOS forwards (AOS itself, not DE).

"Prepare for an AmigaOS running on VP!"

Never.
It would need to be the other way around.

- VP is not PowerPC, it's incompatible. It's a totally different kind of CPU.
- I'm pretty sure that AOS responsivenes&speed can not be fully reached if the CPU is not used natively. The use of that extreme virtualization would also make it impossible to take full advantage of HW acceleration (like 3D).
- VP/intent does not support memory protection (MP is planned for AOS4.x) it never will.
- I think not even AmigaInc was planning that AOS5 would run on top of VP.

etc, etc...
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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2004, 02:14:37 PM »
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Today I listened to the audio from Harre's talk; Moss and McEwen are employees of the new company.
where is the link for this, please.
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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2004, 02:29:27 PM »
Interesting...
Unfortunately, I'm only remotely interested; it'e been too long. :-\
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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2004, 03:23:04 PM »
@cecilia

mp3's of both the banquet speech and interview are available at Intuitionbase and Amigaworld

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2004, 03:51:25 PM »
thanks, downloading now!
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Re: DR GARRY HARE AMIWEST SPEECH
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2004, 04:17:05 PM »
Not sure what the state of VP is these days, but creating a complete OS based on the idea is exciting.

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- VP is not PowerPC, it's incompatible. It's a totally different kind of CPU.
Yes, and what you'd need to do is create a low-level hardware interface that is basically the VP run-time engine. The OS would run on top of this. This way, the OS and all the apps would be translated to native PPC, Intel/AMD, MIPS, etc, on the fly.

 
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I'm pretty sure that AOS responsivenes&speed can not be fully reached if the CPU is not used natively.
So what. CPU's these days are ridiculously fast. Do we really need a 3.5Ghz chip to surf the web? With chips like that, even a 50% hit in performance would still provide a very satisfying user experience (and I think VP can achieve far better then 50%).

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The use of that extreme virtualization would also make it impossible to take full advantage of HW acceleration (like 3D).
3D graphics is tied to the video card, not the CPU. The VP engine would have nothing to do with this. Alti-vec, however, might pose a problem, but there might be ways around this as well.

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VP/intent does not support memory protection (MP is planned for AOS4.x) it never will.
Perhaps we need to write a specialized VP system for the OS. Or perhaps, add it to the hardware interface and spawn a new VP instance for each application and keep them all in their own sandbox.

Anyway, I think it's technically possible, might require more resources then Amiga has right now. It would be the ideal system and making an OS that is binary compatible with the majority of systems out there would be a great advantage for the Amiga.

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2004, 06:48:02 PM »
>Sitting here and arguing armchair legalities in a thread that has nothing to do with it indicates nothing but immature morons who like hearing themselves debate a point. Point in fact, debates require facts, and you have none.

Hi Wayne, welcome to the club. Have a seat in the front, please.
 

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2004, 07:14:55 PM »
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Hi Wayne, welcome to the club. Have a seat in the front, please.

I'm not arguing anything.  I'm just trying to slap a few hands which seems to be necessary now and again and to remind everyone that we're here to support the Amiga, not play armchair attorney.

Wayne
 

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2004, 07:20:20 PM »
Don't. Infact, it makes the best comedy watching the kids play lawyers. It's been endless fun for years now.

You know sh1t, I know sh1t, they know sh1t.. why just not lock the thread and we can move on ;-)
 

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2004, 07:29:03 PM »
If I wanted to mindlessly support the Amiga - even when it's WRONG - I wouldn't come here to do it, Wayne.
 

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Re: Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech
« Reply #44 from previous page: July 26, 2004, 08:20:23 PM »
Kenny, you're out of line.