Dr. Garry Hare Amiwest Speech

[seer]

From swaug

We will pay developer community to make applications.

Should make some people happy.
 :-)

[Glaucus]

Wow. I feel like I'm walking through a street full of burned out cars and debris, and I'm left wondering what carnage and mayham could have caused all this. I always miss out on the full stuff. heh.

Anyway, interesting article, or whatever. So once again the focus shifts back to the DE, is that it? The desktop OS (or shall I say, OS4) will be completed and released by the end of the year, but from what I can tell, there's no indication that there will ever be an OS4.1? I suppose it will all depend on how well it sells (if 100K copies sell in 6 months, they'd be ratarded not to continue development, but what are the chances of that?).

I also noticed no mention of Hyperion. Any word from Ben?

  - Mike

[SWAUG]

Goto our webpage ( www.swaug.org.uk ) and click on the Ben Hermans Amiwest Interview.  In it he mentions the possibility of an update to OS 4

[seer]

@Glaucus

Go here ;-)

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SWAUG was a little bit fast.. I prefer my link tho  :-D

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[Colin_Camper]

"but from what I can tell, there's no indication that there will ever be an OS4.1?"

I thought that, because most of what was going to be 4.1 is going into 4.0, that 4.1 was just going to be a bug fix boing bag.

My take on Garry's speech is that he wants to develop AmigaOS into a ultra fast, lean and stable OS. The Tao renegotiations speak volumes about the pivotal role intent will have in all this. Prepare for an AmigaOS running on VP!

I can't see any problem with any of this....

[Glaucus]

Thanks guys, just checked out Ben's comments. Interestingly, he tells us that about 1000 pre-release CDs have been sold, and few mother boards remain to be sold. Anyone willing to take a guess as to what the profit margin is on each system? Think they make $50 per unit? If so, they'd have made no more then $50K net. Ouch.

I think OS4.0 will be far more useful once they get Petunia up and running fully, but the latest advancements in video drivers seems promising! I'm interested to see what the Fredan Bros consider to be "insperational".

  - Mike

[System]

My take on Garry's speech is that he wants to develop AmigaOS into a ultra fast, lean and stable OS. The Tao renegotiations speak volumes about the pivotal role intent will have in all this.

My take on it was that DE will interface with the "other devices" (phones, etcetera) while AmigaOS will serve as the link to the desktop, helping all these devices talk to one another.  This in itself has not changed since 2000.

[Glaucus]

I thought that, because most of what was going to be 4.1 is going into 4.0, that 4.1 was just going to be a bug fix boing bag.

Well, what I meant by OS4.1 was any future version at all. OS4.0++, if you catch my drift.

My take on Garry's speech is that he wants to develop AmigaOS into a ultra fast, lean and stable OS. The Tao renegotiations speak volumes about the pivotal role intent will have in all this. Prepare for an AmigaOS running on VP!

Well, that is an optimistic view. The pesimistic view would be that he really only cares about the VP, and realizes that AmigaOS 4.X isn't necessary for DE's success on the mobile market. Reality may be somewhere in between.

  - Mike

[cecilia]

I completely agree with Wayne - esp these points:

The fact is that I personally have absolutely zero interest in MorphOS nor the Pegasos, nor would I shed one single f'ing tear if the name Genesi was never, ever, mentioned on this site again. This is an AMIGA Web site. Those of you who know the story behind the way I feel don't need to ask. Those who don't, don't need to know.  .............

   While (in my opinion), the injection of Dr. Hare is a good thing for both morale and apparent integrity to the Amiga platform, historically neither the most recent incarnation of Amiga Inc nor Genesi has operated in anything even remotely resembling an honorable fashion, so let's just leave the legal {bleep} between the REAL lawyers.

i read what appears to be Hare's talk and i was impressed with the lack of hoopla/BS/and over-the-top nonsense that has happened before at such occasions.
like:

I don't talk about product roadmaps or things that haven't happened yet.

and if this is true

We have made offers and hired some Amiga Inc employee

and if these people get paid, that means Hare puts his money where he mouth is.

and i've always believed that the future of computer technology was in hand-held devices (like phones) and that the AmigaOS was very suited to that! So, he's saying all the right things for me.

[Vincent]

Please don't start another discussion on this thread about 'legal issues'.

I may have partially accidentally instigated that topic - my excuse is I wasn't thinking as usual.

That always happens when I post on something like this - remind me to keep my mouth shut next time ;-)

Anyways, good to see an official announcement :-)

[Rogue]

Fredan Bros

The name's "Frieden", although the pronouncation is the same.

[Colin_Camper]

My take on it was that DE will interface with the "other devices" (phones, etcetera) while AmigaOS will serve as the link to the desktop, helping all these devices talk to one another. This in itself has not changed since 2000.

Well, this is just as plausable as my scenario - we'll have to wait and see!  :-)

Well, that is an optimistic view. The pesimistic view would be that he really only cares about the VP

Don't forget KMOS bought AmigaOS a year ago and have only just bought Ainc(AmigaDE). I'm sure that it's amigaOS that they are really keen on and now see intent as a way of getting it onto the various platforms. Obviously if intent was all they were after then they could have bypassed Amiga inc and signed with Tao, alone. But they must also have found the whole AmigaOS/AmigaDE/Intent thing quite compelling as an entity. Perhaps Bill McEwen and Fleecy made the pitch of their lives!  :-)

[Waccoon]

Ok guys, I've just had to delete a tonne of posts.

Just out of curiosity, what's the ratio of decent posts VS trolling posts?  I doubt it's much different than any other platform discussion BBS.

let's get back to the roots of SUPPORTING THE AMIGA.

I'm not sure the commercial companies involved are much attuned to making a product with longetivity.

I'm waiting to see the product demonstrations of KMOS.  If all they do is keep things a secret (ie, not opening a website), they're just as doomed as all the previous Amiga owners, no matter what grand ideas they may have.

Dammit, I don't want to hear any more about effeciency, small size, innovation, technical supiriority of PPC or otherwise, or any other such bull****.  I want to see DE in action, and a full explanation of how it will solve the biggest problems with existing platforms, like security, usefulness, and maintenance.

Perhaps Bill McEwen and Fleecy made the pitch of their lives!

I wonder what happened to those two.  I find it hard to believe those guys will ever work in the IT industry ever again.

Then again, I thought the same thing about Mehdi Ali, and he is very much alive, in a management position, and making obscene amounts of money despite his complete incompetence.  Life sucks.

[B00tDisk]

I wonder what happened to those two. I find it hard to believe those guys will ever work in the IT industry ever again.

Today I listened to the audio from Harre's talk; Moss and McEwen are employees of the new company.

[KennyR]

Today I listened to the audio from Harre's talk; Moss and McEwen are employees of the new company.

Which only feeds the accusations that KMOS is not actually a new company at all. Same employees, same product, same kind of talk, same aims.

But just no debtors. Hmm.

[Waccoon]

Moss and McEwen are employees of the new company.

Must've been part of the deal.  Personally, I'd fire their sorry butts.