AmiNetRadio 3.0 Released

[KennyR]

#AmigaZeux are proud to present: AmiNetRadio 3.0.

This release is aimed at the MorphOS platform. Support for AmigaOS has largely been abandoned, for many reasons. Check out the readme and guide in the archive or go here for more details.

Features of this new, MorphOS-targeted release include:

- New modular, multi GUI system for selectable GUI, including the old 'classic'.

- New, fully configurable ANRNG.gui, with a very nice default skin.

- Supports classic WinAMP skins via new WinAMP.gui, including packed .wsz ones.

- New OGG Vorbis player (thanks to vorbisfile.library by Nicolas DET).

- Can play digital CDDA from CD straight through AHI (thanks to Ilkka Lehtoranta).

- Players for AHX, Protracker, Future Composer and SoundMon modules (thanks to Ilkka Lehtoranta).

- It's now possible to bind ANR functions like play, stop, volume control and so on to any key command, including multimedia keys.

- Complete playlist overhaul and rewrite.

- Scan files in playlist for more info.

- New external scope - monoscope.

- Internal scopes have been optimised and one new scope was added.

- Many bugs caught and mercilessly squished.

Download this brilliant player and many other skins at its site: http://anr.amigazeux.net.

You can read the press release here. Bring a crowbar, you'll need it to prise your tongue back out of your cheek.

-- #amigazeux

[FuZion]

Now here was a program that blew my mind.

When I first stumbled across ANR v2, I was impressed. I still am. So easy to use & accessible. It had a good few options too, making it pretty darn powerful in my books.

KennyR, before I go any further, note this: I DO like this program... Okay?

But. Dropping AmigaOS support does NOT make me happy. Suggesting that people 'upgrade' & making it blatantly obvious that you are refering to an upgrade to MorphOS is ,IMHO, simply wrong.

There are people out here who ARE upgrading. Be it from AmigaOS 2.x > 3.5 or 3.9. Upgrading their systems with PCI busboards with sound card support & of course upgrading to an AmigaOne with AmigaOS 4.0. They are all classed as upgrades are they not? You're not suggesting that people upgrade to more memory, a faster processor, have lights installed that flash in time with frequencies below 40Hz or whatever, but completely change their choice of OS. The underlying OS shouldn't even come into it, Quake runs on everything doesn't it?

Your little intro comes across like MorphOS is the ONLY option for upgrading.

We hope many more users will upgrade to what we believe is the future of Amiga and the way to go

Even though all of the above systems are perfectly capable of playing mp3 streams (Which is basically what ANR does).

I am not asking you to reconsider, your decision is your decision, but please do not deliberately, & unnecessarily, distance yourself (And your projects) from what is effectively half of your potential user base. This really does come across as a Blue Vs Red issue & personally I am sick of it.

I would like to develop software for the platform & politics aside, if both systems can handle what I would like to do, both systems will get what I do. Simple.

It's not even like the systems you are recommending that people upgrade from cannot carry out the task. Also worth noting, I would guess that there are also more users of the aforementioned system, meaning more users & supporters can use your creation & when they choose to upgrade further, they will be more inclined to support & follow your work & other projects.

If it's of ANY interest to you. I have had a little try & on 3.9 it seems to run.

... ... ... If I remember right, when I read the news about ANR v2 here I said something like, keep up the good work. Hmmm...

Yours, slightly disheartened, FuZion.

[Opus]

I must agree that I was thrilled to see this great program updated, then read it is for MorphOS...feh, wasted my time looking I guess

[Tomas]

Maybe you should consider changing the name to MorphNetradio? I really find it sad that AmigaOS support was dropped.. this program really has nothing to do with amiga anymore, as it does not even run on one..

[Piru]

AmiNetRadio 3.0 rules. It's simply is the best generic player (streaming, mp3, ogg, mods) there is for the target platforms at the moment.

The NG GUI is finally giving the user interface some polish (no offence intended, but the old GUI wasn't that spectacular :-))



For those disliking the main platform choice: ANR is freeware, I am sure there are capable coders who can create good player program for your favorite platform.

Also, if you read the whatsnew link carefully you'll learn that ANR actually works under AmigaOS, but is not tested intensively under it. Also some advanced features are only available under MorphOS, simply because the required components and features are not available for AmigaOS at all.

Just my .02 euros.


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@ Ray A. Akey / Amiga Inc (on aw.net)

What I find funny about the thread you linked, is Piru (Harry Sintonen) coming along and promoting this new release as the bees knees, when he's one of the core MorphOS developers and it is obvious that he's just piling it on because in the end he too will benefit from an outcome beneficial to that AmigaOS clone.

It is true that I am a MorphOS developer. But, I am also regular at #amigazeux and betatest and help develop #az programs, though I have been way too busy to help much lately (sorry guys).

What I think about AmiNetRadio is genuine, and my personal opinion. Suggesting that this opinion is some sort of "bias" or "advertising" or "beneficial" to me is not only outrageous, but plain ridiculous.

I know we have had our disagreements on various topics before, and you probably want to get back to me somehow. If this is your choosing of method, I can only feel sorry for you.

Best regards,
Harry "Piru" Sintonen
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[Tomas]

Also some advanced features are only available under MorphOS, simply because the required components and features are not available for AmigaOS at all.

I am sure that OS4 also has some advanced features that MorphOS lacks :-P

What pissed me off, was the fact that he called MorphOS an upgrade, which seemed to me was only done by the solely purpose of pissing of AmigaOS supporters.

[Argo]

Okay. Please don't fall for the obvious jab at Amiga OS. ANR might still work. Though that probability will decrease in future releases without testing on Amiga OS systems. It' not like there already are not Morphos specific programs. The author made a choice. It's his to make. I'm sure when the Beta of Amiga OS 4.0 gets to the AmigaOne owners in the next few weeks, that other new software will be developed.
Remember, Nature abhors a vacuum.

[Argo]

Uh, What no AROS version? Why that little ... Oh, wait AROS doens't have a TCP/IP stack yet. Nevermind. As you were. :oops:

[FuZion]

It' not like there already are not Morphos specific programs.

Granted. There will also be applicatioins for OS4 that will not appear on MorphOS.

However, this is a program that has previously been running & tested on both OS's & has suddenly been dropped due to the 'upgrade' recommendation.

The logic is just beyond me. It will amount to less users than previous versions. Having a knock on effect with downloads, users & support from the users. I was under the impression that upgrades & updates for software (Not necessarily new software) was aimed at fixing bugs & hopefully appealing to new users, not the other way around.

Anyway, as I already pointed out, Kenny's decision is Kennys decision. It's just ashame for all involved.

FuZion.

[FuZion]

Uh, What no AROS version? Why that little ... Oh, wait AROS doens't have a TCP/IP stack yet. Nevermind. As you were.

Come on Argo,

I don't like to see Mods dig like that. AROS doesn't even come into this.

[Argo]

Guess you missed the point.

[KennyR]

First, my apologies by anyone disappointed by this release. We (or rather they, I'm just a guide writer) have struggled for a good while to keep ANR running on vanilla AmigaOS, without a vanilla AmigaOS system to debug on. It says 'last few months' but should probably say 'last whole year'. I'm probably the only AmigaZeux member that still does have a fully (or almost fully) working Amiga, and I did betatest ANR on it, but that kind of betatesting is blind and extremely time consuming, and the coders themselves often couldn't reproduce bugs. Workarounds of AOS bugs and limitations were attempted but failed. And all the real Amiga/emulator users who often downloaded the beta without asking usually didn't bother to send us any bug reports, and that didn't help either.

Then there's the external libraries issue. These are used for all the special players we added, and coded by people who are no longer interested in old 1993 AmigaOS but are excited about their new platform. Some (like OGG) take too much CPU time for real 68k CPUs. They weren't going to get non-MOS ports, and since this release is mainly about the extra players, we decided just to aim the full release at MOS.

Finally, ANR will work on AmigaOS. The ANRNG GUI might be corrupt (apparently this is because of features missing in AOS versions of render and guigfx.libraries), the MOS-only stuff of course is no use, and we can't assure stability any more than hoping that whats stable on A\Box is stable on AmigaOS, but it does work and still offers some new features to AmigaOS users ANR2.0 didn't.

[GadgetMaster]

Using demonstration of ANR to advertise commercial operating systems without explicit permission from the author is strictly prohibited. Any attempt to do this will result in future versions of ANR being actively prevented from running on the said operating systems.

What type of freeware license is that? :-?

Wouldn't that type of behaviour be counterproductive. I mean the "AMI" part is from Amiga right. Wouldn't the the trademark holders also actively prevent ANR to advertise thair non-commercial software without explicit permission from the trademark holders? :lol: (DRY JOKE)

Also since when is MorphOS non-commercial? So it would equally apply to that OS as well right?

If it is non-commercial then I would like a copy that I can get modified for my A1....make that two..I know a friend that would also like one. :-P

Seriously though, deciding not to support a platform is the authors choice but to be childish about it is just a bit silly.  :-(

Only in Amigaland  :roll:

[KennyR]

Gadgetmaster wrote:
What type of freeware license is that?

It's a "angry at people who lie every day about our own OS who then make money from our hard work on ANR" licence.

Wouldn't that type of behaviour be counterproductive. I mean the "AMI" part is from Amiga right. Wouldn't the the trademark holders also actively prevent ANR to advertise thair non-commercial software without explicit permission from the trademark holders?

One, they have no money to enforce that. Two, they could never prove Ami was from 'Amiga'. Three, even if they did, we'd just rename it, then disable it running on their OS for the insult. :-)

Also since when is MorphOS non-commercial? So it would equally apply to that OS as well right?

MorphOS is technically non-commercial (but not non-copyright, so you couldn't use it on your A1 :-P), but that's not really the point. It stands just as much for MOS than anything else. All we ask is permission. We're just as touchy about Genesi using ANR to sell Pegasos as we are about Hyperion doing it for OS4. Or what do you think the timed 'BUY OS4' easteregg was about? ;-)

[GadgetMaster]

@KennyR

It's a "angry at people who lie every day about our own OS who then make money from our hard work on ANR" licence.

You've just invented AngerWare (TM) :-D

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I doubt it that one application or utility is enough to sell a platform so I doubt much money is to be made that way.

ANR is good software don't get me wrong but it alone would not be sufficient to significantly boost sales.

the ANR authors should feel flattered that their great software is being demonstrated.

The fact that so many people are dissappointed is for that very reason, it's good software and the users are the ones that are really losing out.

So that rules out an OS4 native version ..right? (Somehow the post didn't seem complete without that last comment) sorry :lol: