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Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« on: April 02, 2004, 07:33:14 PM »
Sun Microsystems announced Friday that it has moved to a new phase of legal and technical cooperation with longtime foe Microsoft that will involve a payment of $1.95 billion to Sun.

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Re: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2004, 08:05:12 PM »
How tragic... Sun could have held out for more considering MS is a definate monopoly.  Hopefully Sun's technologies will develop further locking them into a must-have category.  And I'm not talking about Java Applets, those just need to die a slow death imho.

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Re: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2004, 08:50:05 PM »
I quite like Java applets. IMHO that was the best part. It was fun and I got it to do a lot of nice stuff.

Why would I want to write a cruddy looking Java App when I could use some swish MS tech and run on 90% of computers. How boring.
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Re: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2004, 09:48:30 PM »
I'm sure Sun stocks rocket (up).
 

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Re: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2004, 01:15:39 AM »
That "article" is just a piece of FUD. Money poors out of Microsoft, their stock stagnate and seven other miserys have struck them. Yet SUN who just got 2 billion in cash is the looser? And why is there a fan pic of Steve Ballmer?

I mean c'mon.

The only reason why this happened at all is because Ballmers dollar waving infront of Monti wasn't successfull. There's a first time for everything I guess. And it scared him {bleep}less.
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Re: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2004, 07:01:52 PM »
Good news that Microsoft must pay $1.8 billion to SUn.

Bad news that Sun must have layoffs

The question - " Why does Microsoft have to have their own version of Java".  It is like "I am the bully and I get anything I want, the way I want it."

It really is a shame that this didn't come out of litigation that ONE AGAIN Microsoft is breaking anit-trust laws and that they all should be put in PRISON.

The really bad news is that there is no strong competition right now to make Microsoft HONEST.

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Re: Sun settles with Microsoft, announces layoffs
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2004, 09:53:17 PM »
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How tragic... Sun could have held out for more considering MS is a definate monopoly

If it wasn't for MS Virtual Machine, Java would be worthless right now.

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Why would I want to write a cruddy looking Java App when I could use some swish MS tech and run on 90% of computers. How boring.

Java has a terrible standard interface.  It's primitive, badly organized, and doesn't take advantage of any native GUI constructs (just because you're architecture independent doesn't mean you can't use native libraries.  A file requester, for example, works the same way in almost every OS).  I don't know how anyone could WANT to use a Java app over a native app.  Applets are a different story.

PS - I'm programming in Java, now.  My brother-in-law is trying very hard to convert me, and I figure I'll at least give it a try.  Still, the interface really has me fuming.

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The question - " Why does Microsoft have to have their own version of Java". It is like "I am the bully and I get anything I want, the way I want it."

I was under the impression that Java was an open standard, so anyone could make a port, much like QT.  Keep in mind that Tao has their own Java engine, too.

Wasn't the controversy over Microsoft using some "special" instructions not in the standard Java engine?

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Yet SUN who just got 2 billion in cash is the looser?

Well, that money doesn't go to the employees, that's for sure.  After the failure of their stupid little server appliances, I'm really left wondering just what the hell they do to stay in business.

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Good news that Microsoft must pay $1.8 billion to SUn

Think of how many copies of Windows have to be sold to make $1.8 Billion.  And people wonder why Windows is so expensive...

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The really bad news is that there is no strong competition right now to make Microsoft HONEST

Much like our own Amiga, Inc.?

Let's be real.  How many OSes are truly competitive with Windows for the consumer market.  EVERYONE is making OSes for server markets, which Microsoft does not dominate.  MacOS is a vertical monopoly tied to Apple's awful hardware and arrogant marketing tactics, and BeOS was nothing special.

When someone makes a really GOOD interface for Linux to replace the mess made from XWindows and its staple of sluggish, badly organized window managers, Microsoft should start to worry.  As it is, the complete lack of standardization is what keeps Linux at bay.  Nobody is developing software the ordinary people want, so you can't dump all the blame on Microsoft.

I don't LIKE Microsoft, mind you, but if people really took a hard look at what Microsoft has done to make software intuitive for normal people, and how other companies drool over technology and geekdom, you'll understand why MS went from a penny pinching nobody to the richest, most hated software company in the world.  Microsoft used to be broke, once, and don't forget that Commodore killed itself, rather than being squashed out of the industry by a monopoly.  The failure of Amiga should've been a real eye opener for the rest of the world.  Instead, everyone thinks PDAs running callendar apps and notepad clones will fix everything.  Sad how people don't learn.