Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[Waccoon]

Only a few cards were passed out.  I doubt Mr. Hare thought it would be such a big issue.  He made a personal mistake.  LEAVE IT AT THAT.  Rather than {bleep} about the cards some more, could we possibly talk more about this "business partnership" between KMOS and Hyperion, and what the existing, tiny Amiga community expects for a product, so maybe, possibly, they can actually release something?

If KMOS is just a shell game for covering Amiga's legal woes, well, that's not going to affect me, since I don't buy "coupons" and such crap.  I consider my $100 for the Party Pack to be a wasted investment, so I'm just watching for product demonstrations.  In the meantime, I'll continue to use Win2K, learn Linux and PHP, and spew out a few ideas and features I'd like to see in a next-generation OS, like a REAL scripting language, a brand new quarantine-based security model that puts JAVA to shame, and a complete, competent GUI toolkit "out of the box".  These are the things that should be commonplace on PCs, but are either done very, very wrong, or are non-existent.  GUIs, in particular, are a huge pain in the butt.  I'd really love to write my own front-ends to command-line programs without having to learn C++, or move to Java, which offeres a terrible user interface and belittles the GUI resources of the host OS.

Speaking of scripting languages, whatever happened to SHEEP?  Will it be in OS4, is it intended for DE, or is it no more?

It is NOT Gary Hare we should be chastising

Has anyone considered the possibility that Mr. Hare won't BOTHER with a second interview, after the crap that has been thrown around in this thread?

Remaining silent while watching others being called liars, when you know the truth is right up there in the top 3 on the stone tablets.

I have to admit, that asking Amiga, Inc. to remain silent for legal reasons, doesn't quite cut it.  There had to be more going on here.  But, since when has silence been out of the ordinary for Amiga, Inc.?  It's been four damn years since they "aquired" the name and they've publicly announced squat.

[restore2003]

   Remaining silent while watching others being called liars, when you know the truth is right up there in the top 3 on the stone tablets.

Silence is gold, just wait and see  ;-)  :pint:

Here is a cold beer for all those in this community with patience, and dont get overheated over things that have happened.

[TheJackal]

IMHO Garry seems to be a guy who isn't caught up in the "Amiga Religious fervour".

I only shudder to think  what he'd make reading the rabid rantings on the Amiga boards.

I just hope he keeps above all this and runs the business like a proper normal business. Not like the fubar "companies" that have owned Amiga over the last ~10 years.

[SirLancelotDuLac]

(In fact, didn't the amiga.com announcment state that KMOS acquired Itec?

No it did not, it said the following:

On April 23, 2003 Amiga entered into an Agreement with Itec LLC, later acquired by KMOS, Inc.

Unfortunately, that is a bit vague, does it mean the agreement was acquired by KMOS or that Itec was acquired by KMOS?

The answer to this question comes from Garry Hares declaration:

On October 10, 2003, KMOS entered into a Stock Purchase and Sale Agreement  and Agreement of Assignment of Intellectual Property Rights (the "Agreement") under which it acquired all Itec's interest in Amiga's Amiga OS family of products.

This shows that KMOS only acquired Amiga OS from ITEC and did not acquire ITEC.

[vortexau]

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[T_Bone]

> MY dictionary states:
> 1 really coming from its stated, advertised, or
> reputed source.

And it DID come from the stated source. it's not rocket science. This is what I mean about the mealy-mouthing.

This is reduculous! Garry prints up cards saying he's the CEO of Amiga, and it's WAYNES fault that it's false information. Unbelievable.

It's like Bizarro World.

[System]

@T_Bone

Let it be.  There are those here who aren't interested in reality or logic, they just want to argue...

[vortexau]

Edit by admin : Trolling, Personal Attack

[vortexau]

Edit by admin : Trolling, Personal Attack

[vortexau]

Edited by admin: argumentative without point

At this point ladies and gentlemen, all that needs to be said on the irrelevant subject of invalid business cards, has been.  Any further attempts to sit here and pedantically argue over a non issue will be removed by admin.

If you want to discuss relevant issues such as Amiga's omission of the sale from the court and hiding it from the public, OR the fact that all companies involved are seemingly allergic to the truth, then fine, but the business card {bleep} is done.  It's over.

[Dalamar]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

This is great!  I've never seen such obsession with a trivial issue.  A General of the Armies obsessed with the placment of a single tank in 10,000 tank battle.   :-D

I for one am willing to give someone a chance to get what's left of the Amiga back into the technology industry.  Gary likes to take a Mac to a meeting to look cool, GREAT!  Guess what everyone, thanks to Microsoft's corporatizing (is that a word?) of technology (including Microsoft Speak), that is just the kind of person you need to have running a modern tech company (YES, a "suit").  

The age of the Amiga and the technology market of it's time is long passed.  It needs to change with the times or die and in this day and age that means lots of long words that mean nothing strung together and flung at corporate "suits".  I see it everyday and it's a VERY sad state of affairs, but very true.

[Tigger]

I think you guys need to look at a few dates to understand the issues with Garry's take of events.  

December 2, 2002 - Bolten Peck wins his court case

December 6, 2002 - Amiga Inc officially receives the Peck paperwork (Bill McEwen did not show up in court).

December 13, 2002 - Itec LLC is incorporated.  (This is interesting because Garry describes this company which is 3 years younger then Amiga Inc as the source of Amiga Incs funding)  In truth, Amiga Inc has been broke and officeless since before Itec was incorporated.

April 10-18, 2003 - A number of email and conversations between Bill McEwen and Bolten Peck's lawyers, emails are included as part of the Thendic case.  All about funding happening soon, Bolten will get his money soon, and all a stall tactic leading up to April 23rd.

April 23, 2003 - Bill McEwen gives 2 hours notice that he will not be attending his depostion about financial matters (both of Amiga and of McEwen) in the case of Peck vs Amiga Inc, instead he apparently sells Amiga OS to Itec on this day.

April 30, 2003 - Bill McEwen gives his delayed deposition, claims ownership of the OS, says Amiga Inc is broke, says Garry is new CEO.

August 7, 2003 - Bill gives his much delayed deposition in the Thendic case.  He again claims ownership of Amiga OS, an item he and Garry Hare now claim was sold in April.  

October 2, 2003 - Amiga Inc loses its lawyers in the Thendic case.

October 7, 2003 - KMOS is incorporated.

October 10, 2003 - KMOS acquires Amiga OS from Itec.  (Interestingly, Itec apparently is financing KMOS as well).

Feb 19, 2004 - Thendic wins their case against Amiga Inc.

Feb 27, 2004 - Rumors of KMOS and Garry Hare appear on 3 major Amiga websites as a press release.

March 1, 2004 - Bill Buck asks for a rewrite of the judgement.

March 15, 2004 - The big announcement on Amiga.com

March 15, 2004 - Amiga Inc files court documents claiming several things including KMOS now owns Amiga OS and has owned it since October when they acquired it from Itec who got it from Amiga Inc in April.

March 26, 2004 - Garry Hare interview hits Amigaworld.net

If after reading the timetable, you still believe everything is on the up and up, I have beautiful beachfront property in Florida and a nice bridge in New York I am trying to get rid of, biggest donation to Lord Karma Kitty gets you first pick.  
     -Tig

[System]

Thanks Tig,

A lot of work involved, but that puts things into perspective very nicely where this shell game is concerned.

Wayne

[T_Bone]

> This is great! I've never seen such obsession with a trivial issue.

It's not a trivial issue. people were accused of lying, while people who knew the truth let it happen. These people who sat in silence are despicable.

For me, it's not about "Who's the CEO" or any other angle that's been argued. It's the act above that's pissed me off. It's inexcusable.

[Argo]

Just because a corporate entity was incorporated on a certain date does not mean that the business did not exist prior. It just means that it wasn't a corporation before that.
Finding out what state they operate out of, you could then check for tax id or other business filings that may indicate date of inception.
Itec may have incorporated for various reasons. Maybe they thought it was a good business move and would fit in with future plans. They might have needed one or more of the benefits of being incorporated. Liability comes to mind.

[MarkTime]

I absolutely loved Garry Hare's response, and I don't care if they were chummy with Amiga, Inc.

I still have serious questions about the integrity of that operation...

BUT, that is not going to sway my enthusiasm for the team over at KMOS and the honesty and forthrightness of Garry Hare.  I don't regard myself as a fool, I call them as I see them, and I think this is a wonderful turn of events.

It's just good to see, this change of ownership over the Amiga OS 4.0 platform.  I don't know if I care about this mysterious partner that they are building their business plan around, and I don't know if those interests intersect with my own.

However, I do, just get a warm and fuzzy feeling, and its great they are continuing OS 4.0, and the guy just seems real smart.

Respect is the most important thing, and Garry Hare just commands it.