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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2004, 08:08:43 PM »
Very interesting, I thought.

Wasn't there a posting about The Chinese government effectively banning the monolpoly of certain OS's.  As a certain company (Micro$oft) seems to have a stanglehold on most countries.  Is it posible that Garry may have found a market for Amiga.
The other thing that he continued to mention was the development of the Asian markets.  Asia is so far behind, technologically speaking, that Amiga would be the perfect brand to push forward, especially following it's success in the west.

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2004, 08:10:35 PM »
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Incorrect information on a Business Card is not Fraudulent! The intent was not to defraud anyone. Hence it isn't a fraud.

It amounts to impersonation of a company official, which may not be fraudulent but is certainly illegal.

As for the intent behind the issuing of the cards, that remains a matter of debate until the persons who received those cards come out and verify Mr Hare's claim that he fully explained the situation to them.

Either way, irrespective of whether he did or did not explain it, handing out such cards was unprofessional in the extreme, as they contained untrue information. That he may have been considering a position with Amiga Inc at the time is no excuse.

You'd all be flaying Bill Buck alive if he did something like that, so why are you so prepared to defend Hare's actions?
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2004, 08:14:53 PM »
@bhogget:

Who`s going to sue Mr Hare then? Drop the issue, it`s not an issue at all.

Can`t believe all the uprising about this at all  :-?

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2004, 08:21:21 PM »
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and that KMOS was an IP offloading company. Not a peep about the fact that isn't the case eh? Silence! It's deafening.

Silence?

Absolutely not. I see nothing at all to dissuade me from my belief that the KMOS/Itec AmigaOS deal is nothing more than IP laundering. None of the questions regarding WHY it was first bought by Itec then KMOS have been answered, or what value was put on the IP, or what the actual plans for it were. Nor has an explanation been given for the many supposed months of secrecy, or why Amiga Inc employees were allowed to represent themselves as people with control over the future development of AmigaOS4.

In short, there is nothing to indicate that  this is not primarily an attempt to divorce AmigaOS from the liabilities of Amiga Inc.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2004, 08:34:39 PM »
@restore2003

As I said on ANN: "If a tree falls in the forest but there is no one to hear it, does it make no noise?"

It is an issue, because it reflects (no pun intended) on the character and honesty of Mr Hare and consequently that of the new owners of AmigaOS.

We had enough half-truths and dissembling from Fleecy and Co. Are you now prepared to swallow more of the same?

Let all the facts come out, properly verified as such. Then - and only then - will people be in a legitimate position to pledge their support or not.

Why am I not surprised that those who are most adamant that this is a trivial matter are the same ones who would mount a huge campaign to "expose" Bill Buck if he was guilty of the same. What is trivial from one side would be inexcusable from the opposition, isn't that right?

Wake up, drop the emotional investment and take a step back before considering which are facts, which are claims, and what does and does not make sense in the cold light of a business environment.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2004, 08:46:50 PM »
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It amounts to impersonation of a company official, which may not be fraudulent but is certainly illegal.


Well go and sue him then for doing it.

Do you see Amiga Inc. complaining? No. They'd be the ones who would have to complain. If BBRV claimed to be CEO of Amiga Inc, I'm sure they would complain about his impersonation! They haven't complained about Garry Hare's mistake because it was a mistake.

THE WHOLE THING IS A NON-ISSUE.

If the blue camp want to take it further, then fine. Take him to court to get him to prove that what he said is true, and get the people to whom he gave cards to to collaborate his story.

Until then, YOU have no right or need to know.

It is down to Garry Hare's word against Bill Buck's. I know who I certainly don't believe out of these two!
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2004, 08:57:48 PM »
As I said. The winds have changed. Suddenly it's obvious that we ALL have something in common. The future of the Amiga platform.
Let's forget what has been. Let's focus on the new things to come. Let's hope that Garry is as good to the Amiga as his interview is to this commutity!! Because if he aint;) We'll all be hard judges, right;)
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2004, 09:04:39 PM »
@Hattig

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Until then, YOU have no right or need to know.

Says who?

I have the exclusive right to decide what I need to know or not, not you. I may not be able to extract information others are not prepared to divulge, but that being the case I have every right to draw my conclusions on the basis of the information I do have, and no one, specially you, is in a position to prevent me.

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It is down to Garry Hare's word against Bill Buck's. I know who I certainly don't believe out of these two!

So? I don't believe either. Are you saying your belief carries more weight than mine? What makes you superior, hmmm?
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2004, 09:21:52 PM »
I'm glad that whole coupon/t-shirt thing was covered. One problem with his offer of a trade of a business card for the coupon is that nobody even got a coupon, so even if they wanted to do the trade, they couldn't. :-( But, I guess technically, it wasn't a coupon for a t-shirt, so the terms of the trade would need to be renegotiated. :-)

About the business card. I was never fully convinced it was authentic, and so didn't believe McEwen had been replaced. I will now concede it's authenticalness :-), but will also be content with knowing I was at least half right about something. :elvis:

Garry seems goods beans. I now have much less trepidation about the recent situation. Especially since he said that thing about honoring the coupons even though he isn't legally obliged to do so. That's just good beans. Everyone have a large coffee!  :pint: ...and dance like a banana if ya feel like it! :banana: teeheehee!
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2004, 09:25:21 PM »
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Absolutely not. I see nothing at all to dissuade me from my belief that the KMOS/Itec AmigaOS deal is nothing more than IP laundering. None of the questions regarding WHY it was first bought by Itec then KMOS have been answered, or what value was put on the IP, or what the actual plans for it were. Nor has an explanation been given for the many supposed months of secrecy, or why Amiga Inc employees were allowed to represent themselves as people with control over the future development of AmigaOS4.

In short, there is nothing to indicate that this is not primarily an attempt to divorce AmigaOS from the liabilities of Amiga Inc.


Now I know this does not directly answer your questions, but Garry did explain who Itec is in relation to Amiga, as quoted here:

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Garry: Itec has been an investor in Amiga since the purchase of the assets from Gateway. It remains an investor today. Itec is also the Senior (first place) Secured Creditor of Amiga Inc. KMOS purchased the OS asset from Itec. There is no formal relationship between the companies (KMOS and Itec). I am not involved in Itec in any way.


Now it is obvious from this that Itec was not simply a company thought of to "save the IP", since they were investors from the beginning.  As Garry states, they are Amiga's "Senior (first place) Secured Creditor".  Not being a corporate attorney and not owning a corporation I can only guess what this means, but I imagine I can make a good guess just by paralleling it with my life.  I have a primary secured creditor on my house loan, if I go bankrupt, they are the first ones who get money from the bankruptcy sale of my house, if there is any money left, my other creditors, whomever they may be (credit cards, non-secured personal loans, etc.) will get dibs on the cash.  

I would imagine the same is true for business, although probably much more complex.  I imagine that if Itec was the "Senior Secured Creditor", they probably get first dibs on Amiga Inc's assets over everyone else (employees, airborne, etc.).  Therefore it may be perfectly legal for Itec to claim ownership of Amiga OS in april and yet Bill McEwen still state that it is one of Amiga Incs IP.  Since Itec are Amiga Incs primary secured creditor, it may also be perfectly legal for them to sell it to KMOS in October.  Perhaps the sale of Amiga OS and Amiga Inc. concentrating on DE was a requirement for Itec to supply more funding.  However, this is something that we will probably never know and it is really none of our business.  That is between Amiga, Itec, KMOS and the Federal Government.  If the Feds say they have not broken any laws, then they have not.  We have no choice but to wait and see, the only way it becomes our business is if the courts make a public ruling stating illegal activities occurred.  (Even then it is really none of our business, just an interesting read for us average Joes and a means for some to prove their conspiracy theories accurate.)

Again, to clarify, I am not a corporate lawyer nor do I own a corporation, therefore, this is all speculation.  I could be wrong, and if there is a corporate lawyer out there who could validate/invalidate any of my speculation, that would be much appricated.   :-)
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2004, 09:31:28 PM »
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Poster: Paul_Gadd  Posted: 2004/3/26 10:46:03

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    Question 53: Is the mere possession of a fake ID (but not the use of one) a crime?

    Answer: Yes it is a crime to possess a fake ID. Using the fake I.D. is also a crime and getting caught using it will get you arrested.

    The definition of a crime is doing something that is against the law. By holding a fake I.D. you are committing a crime and therefore breaking the law.



The guy outright broke the law and everyone seems to defend him.

Q: Are you the Amiga Inc CEO as stated on this card?

A: Garry says No (he broke the law end of story)


A business card isn't legal ID in the United States.  I certainly hope it isn't in other countries either.  No law broken here.  It was possibly a minor ethical transgression.

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2004, 09:42:38 PM »
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Question 53: Is the mere possession of a fake ID (but not the use of one) a crime?

Answer: Yes it is a crime to possess a fake ID. Using the fake I.D. is also a crime and getting caught using it will get you arrested.


A business card doesn't constitute a legal ID card. Not in a single place in the world, to my knowledge. You can't walk into a police station and be identified with a friggin' business card. Don't confuse the two, you'll just make a fool out of yourself.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2004, 10:16:13 PM »
Well having been out of the community for so long I have not been as disappointed or soured on everything as most, so this interview was quite good to me.  I like the guy as a person based on his very factual answers and can appreciate why in this environment today they would have kept a lot of this secret.  Announcing anything in the tech industry as a whole before there is anything to back it up has become a VERY bad trend and one that ruins names and people.  Amiga has had this happen more times than anyone can count so anyone that follows this community should be able to appreciate that.  I haven't been back in for very long and even I have learned.

I left the interview with a positive feeling, so now it's time to just wait and see.  I feel after reading a lot of the history of Amiga while being armed with a large amount of hindsight that this is probably one of the best interviews I've seen with anyone related to post Commodore Amiga.  It answers some very tired issues and doesn't promise the world.  Best of all, it doesn't throw anyone to the sharks either.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2004, 10:28:14 PM »
@SirLancelotDuLac

You have a good point there, but the questions still remain. You see, Itec's position does not explain why they would acquire AmigaOS, particularly at that time, or why no announcement to the effect of the sale was ever made at the time. If Itec is Amiga's Senior Secured Creditor, then they would get first dibs in case of bankrupcy anyway, so there would be no need to acquire the assets in advance.

Also, the description of KMOS as a successful company etc. is a bit suspect considering their formation date and what appears to be a complete blank when it comes to track record, partnerships or other products.

Of course, my impression that we are looking at IP laundering is purely speculation on my part - given what evidence is available to me - but while it is true that the Feds have not found anything to complain about, it is equally true that they haven't looked.

Sooner or later Amiga Inc will go to the wall, and then I assume there will be an investigation in the deals carried out for a set period prior to bankruptcy. I don't know about the US, but in the UK when a company goes into administration there is a compulsory investigation into its dealing for the three previous years, with all persons who held a directorial post over that period being obliged to make themselves available to the investigation. Any of the directors found to have knowingly acted against the interests of the company can be declared "unfit to hold a directorship" (or something to that effect) and barred from holding such a position in future. Presumably any such "bad" deal would also be investigated to check that it was legal. I expect something similar would be in effect in the US.

Now, looking at the Itec deal, that could be seen as suspect, because it transfers assets to one creditor therefore reducing payments to others. Even as Senior Secured Creditor, it is not clear if Itec are the sole creditor to hold that position, or if that entitles them to transfer assets to themselves without the agreement of the other creditors prior to bankruptcy proceedings.

The other potential motive involves the fairly reliable rumour that Ben Hermans of Hyperion was instrumental in securing Amiga Inc's original capital investment. Now, with Itec being original investors, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that there may be a connection between Mr Hermans and Itec. Since Hyperion have a strong motive for divorcing AmigaOS from the trouble of Amiga Inc, I don't think I need spell out the possible conspiracy theories.

Now, with KMOS having no trading record and there being no evidence of considerable amounts of money having changed hands, one cannot help but wonder if this isn't just another step in distancing the IP from the Amiga company. (In fact, didn't the amiga.com announcemnt state that KMOS acquired Itec? Mr Hare says there is no formal relationship between KMOS and Itec. One of them would seem to be wrong...)

Yes, it's all just a conspiracy theory, but they sometimes turn out to be right. Certainly it is not a scenario that can be dsicounted out of hand without more evidence than is available to us now.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2004, 11:22:41 PM »
Hey KennyR,

Just try www.google.com and search for "BBRV idiot".  I think you'll find atleast one instance.

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #74 from previous page: March 26, 2004, 11:34:28 PM »
"Asia is so far behind, technologically speaking"

In my trips to Japan and to South Korea I would say neither of those are very behind, in fact they are someway ahead of the USA.  But then Asia is a large place :)

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