Urgent: Pegasos II needs Open Firmware update!

[Hammer]

Not specifically that I have seen. My point is only that this is not an earth shattering defect. Most computer products are imperfect in one way or another whether the user can see it or not.

Depends on the level of severity. Can one compare AmigaOne’s problems with the 1st generation AMD K8 motherboards**? Careful with generalisation since late revisions of X86 motherboards has less “bugs” than the said products mentioned.

**Not including yet another VIA (again!!!) centric Hyperion 4in1 ver50 data corruption issues.

[Hooligan_DCS]

@Hammer

The machine hung after device check when that harddrive was attached (so BIOS was accessible but a lockup occures if you didn't go to BIOS set-up).
The BIOS had to be updated by removing the harddrive, installing a floppydrive, booting from a disk and flashing the BIOS.

After this it was okay to attach the harddrive again and we got pass the device check.
I wouldn't call this bootable.

[Hammer]

@Hooligan_DCS
Can you remember the type of motherboard? (Reason: So we can watch for it).

I wouldn't call this bootable.

At least the machine was at non-semi-permanent unbootable state (level 1 severity).

[Kronos]

I once had a mobo with a f###ed up BIOS (can't think what else could do that),
that would boot just fine, if you would have managed to get the settings right.

Tried 3 different VGA-card (all were later prooven o.k. with the replacement-mobo),
and all showed rather weirds pictures in text-mode.

Wanna know how it looked ? Get you "classic" out, connect it to a TV or 15khz
monitor, select the A2024-driver and try to operate it ...

And yes it was that bad  :-o

[KennyR]

Hammer wrote:
With X86 PC world, one could avoid certain brand and make if reliability is an issue.

Provided of course that this brand doesn't include CPUs or commercial operating systems. Not much choice there.

[downix]

Now I remember why I own an EEPROM programmer.

[Hammer]

Provided of course that this brand doesn't include CPUs or commercial operating systems. Not much choice there.

Refer to the context i.e. only main board/motherboard scope.

As for CPU, one could avoid the early Intel Pentium III 1.13Ghz and Pentium Classic math flaws by selecting alternatives e.g. AMD.

commercial operating systems.

Of course, btw one should also include open source operating systems not just commercial ones.

[Hammer]

I once had a mobo with a f###ed up BIOS (can't think what else could do that),

Is the problem a manufacture defect (variance)  or design defect? Is issue duplicated to the rest of the manufactured motherboard batch?

[IonDeluxe]

You doubt you know anything about what you'r talking about so i wouldnt create such strong bold sentences. Arnt you seeing a paterns here, all software and hardware have bugs. This industry is relativly new, we're still learning how to perfect our processors of design and testing.

I dont doubt what I am talking about at all or I would not say it.

Nevertheless, a bios flaw like this is similar to a bridge being built without a carriagway, or a car being built without wheels or spark plugs.The car example is more applicable to your example as it uses about the same timeframe.

The only person making bold statements here is BBRV for expounding the virtues of the testing of pegasos boards yet a bug of this magnitude gets through.

Someone mad mention that this relates only to pegasos II boards. Well thats fine, but it changes nothing as BBRV did not specify or make destintions between the the two boards making his statements even more ludicrous.This of course brings me back to this:

Either that statement is not worth the electrons showing it or they have some very shoddy testing and trialling criteria in my opinion.

[KennyR]

Iondeluxe: you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Probably intentionally.