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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #14 from previous page: November 23, 2003, 03:44:55 AM »
@JoannaK

Remind me, why do you read this news site again?
 

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2003, 04:32:25 AM »
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@JoannaK

Remind me, why do you read this news site again?


Dude, use your head. He wasnt flaming anyone, his tone was very calm and he made sense!!!

Joannak, i believe you'r totaly correct. I believe there is still alot more to be done, Alan has only just scraped the surface in marketing plans.

I suspect that when OS4 is ready, he'll be demonstrating it again. Maybe thats why OS4 has taken so long? Extra features to demonstrate to the new economies of the world, so maybe a larger chance of them liking the product? :)

O well, its looking good, but by no means are we or is Alan finished!
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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2003, 05:24:08 AM »
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Dude, use your head. He wasnt flaming anyone, his tone was very calm and he made sense!!!


I dont think I've ever read a positive post from Joannak about anything.
 

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2003, 08:44:50 AM »
Joanna seems to be one of those people who love picking faults in things other people do.  She should probably quit her job (where they'd hate to see her go, because she *obviously* always makes the correct decisions about *everything* she does, else she'd be a hypocryte) and become an art critic.  That would be a field where her talents would be more appreciated.
 

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2003, 09:05:47 AM »
It is nice to see the harware side is making some progress. But the one part that remains behind is OS4. Well behind, just not ready. A1 has always been targetted with OS4. As the main combination. Not Linux. Linux was something that you also could run. Don't tell me that now it suddenly is Linux which is the main thing together with the A1.

A1 and OS4+ from the start, right?

No matter how much you admire it all or if you are the biggest fan you just have to admit that OS4 is late, very late. Don't tell me different, it's just true.

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2003, 11:43:13 AM »
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>I dont think I've ever read a positive post from Joannak about anything.

If it makes you feel any better, she does the same towards Pegasos etc.

Besides, what positive there possibly could be in the current situation in Amigascene? I can think of none other than OS4 will soon be available for the public.

I'd say her comment had strong points and even providing an url to back it up.
 

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2003, 07:15:58 PM »
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I dont think I've ever read a positive post from Joannak about anything.


I think she just never read the "post at least 10% positive content" clause in the amiga.org member guidelines.

Maybe we should ban her?

:-P

What's worse? Her not being "positive", or her being realistic and accurate?

This reminds me of something that annoyingly often can be heard from one of the more infamous characters in the so-called community: "You're not being constructive." Which has a twisted meaning: "you don't agree, you're not being 'positive', you're pointing out flaws that should be hidden, please stop thinking, just read the damn marketing and post some animated smileys and shout 'GREAT' will ya!"

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Anyway, I don't see what's so "GREAT!!!11!!!" about this Q&A? Many questions seem like they instead should be addressed to an engineering / product development firm like Mai. Most answers were the usual marketing, thinly veiled digs at what for some odd reason is considered "competition", contradictory statements, ambiguity by the truckload, confusion between reseller (Eyetech) tasks/capabilities and designer (Mai) ditto, hubris, and... ummm... imaginative technological reasoning.

IOW, same old, same old.

This passage was rather revealing though:
"In the interests of the existing Amiga community we absolutely have to broaden the market for the A1 technology [my emphasis] and for OS4, even if that involves using Linux as a trojan horse. [...] that responsibility is, for the moment at least, mainly falling on Eyetech's shoulders."

Yup, that's the sorry state AmigaOS has been put in. It's intentionally been made dependent on how well one dealer can sell a particular motherboard. Of course, this was probably meant to be interpreted as a Good Thing here. It's "in the interest of the Amiga community" that we should buy our hardware via Eyetech. :P
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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2003, 12:30:38 AM »
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I dont think I've ever read a positive post from Joannak about anything.


Ah... You must not read the Genesi/Morphos threads then.
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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2003, 01:33:12 AM »
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What's worse? Her not being "positive", or her being realistic and accurate?


uh.. what are you, drunk?  How can you possible take his comments regarding HOPING that they make inroads to china as "China adores me."  Perhaps you should stick to Scandiavian language boards, becuase you don't seem to have too firm a grasp on English just yet.

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"In the interests of the existing Amiga community we absolutely have to broaden the market for the A1 technology [my emphasis] and for OS4, even if that involves using Linux as a trojan horse. [...] that responsibility is, for the moment at least, mainly falling on Eyetech's shoulders."

Yup, that's the sorry state AmigaOS has been put in. It's intentionally been made dependent on how well one dealer can sell a particular motherboard. Of course, this was probably meant to be interpreted as a Good Thing here. It's "in the interest of the Amiga community" that we should buy our hardware via Eyetech. :P


Who else is making PoP boards besides Genesi and Eyetech/Mai?  Jesus Krispy Kreme Christ, look out the goddamn window!  Amiga is going to *have* to piggyback on top of technology like this to get affordable hardware.  Do you think Genesi could make it on just their PPC boards alone?  Of course not.  Their rolling their IP into stuff like STB's where they can actually MAKE SOME MONEY.  Eyetech/Amiga must do the same.

To paraphrase our esteemed colleage bhoggett:  "please try to use your head.  It's so very important."

I'm not in *either* camp.  Not Red, nor Blue.  The Red guys can be over-enthusiastic at times, but you Blue-campers come up with the most ridiculous excuses for reasoning sometimes.  Get a clue.  
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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2003, 10:42:36 AM »
jahc: I have given positive and negative comments to all parties ..  Even though at least once my Irc-praise to Friendens (due os4 development) was 'anonymized' from irc log posted here.  So it's not necessarily my fault you can't see it happen.

And even Eyetech.. Yes, sometimes. Not quite often cause their stuff (IMHO both marketting and tech) needs so much improvement,  but even I can remember it happen time to time.

For this marketting Q&A and China-travels.. It's the same stuff that has been on Amiga-related papers and websites soon half a year. Anyone can book a travel to china and try to sell trinkets there. What I'd like to ask is is this product good and competetive enough for any market beoynd Amiga-fans.  You tell me.. on what basis it'll sell?
 

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2003, 11:07:41 AM »
Herewegoagain: Show me even single post where I have said that Genesi, Pegasos or MorphOS are perfect? I don't give Ikir-like blind praises to anyone, because I consider that stupid and sheepish behaviour.  

What I say is that Genesi (and BBRV) has shown a lot better batting average than theur competitors (Ainc, Hyperion, Eyetech) and even then.. they have made some obvious mistakes that have cost them a lot of support.

Of Pegasos and MorphOS:  I was using them as my main computer (atm.. my pega is on Linux demo-tour) since MorphOS 1.4 release. Before it... well it was too much at works, and I didn't like it ehough.

For a challenge.. Try to find even single blind Praise I have given for MorphOS 1.3?  I had pegasos since April (may?) and MorphOS 1.4 was released on september.
 

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2003, 05:44:51 PM »
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uh.. what are you, drunk? How can you possible take his comments regarding HOPING that they make inroads to china as "China adores me."


I thought the complaints at JoannaK was because she wasn't "positive" at all, not that she expressed her lack of "positivity" with a quite bleeding OBVIOUS helping of irony.

Regarding that specific China bit, wouldn't the Chinese customers have to "adore" Eyetech, if they would prefer to order their PPC mobos via a foreign distributor rather than simply ordering/building them themselves? Eyetech doesn't design hardware, nor do they own any hardware designs to sell/license to others. Since Eyetech cannot and does not add any value (rather the reverse) to the hardware they're selling, any big Chinese customers would either A: be stupid, or B: "adore" Eyetech (to re-use JK's terminology).

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   "In the interests of the existing Amiga community we absolutely have to broaden the market for the A1 technology [my emphasis] and for OS4, even if that involves using Linux as a trojan horse. [...] that responsibility is, for the moment at least, mainly falling on Eyetech's shoulders."

    Yup, that's the sorry state AmigaOS has been put in. It's intentionally been made dependent on how well one dealer can sell a particular motherboard. Of course, this was probably meant to be interpreted as a Good Thing here. It's "in the interest of the Amiga community" that we should buy our hardware via Eyetech. :P



Who else is making PoP boards besides Genesi and Eyetech/Mai? Jesus Krispy Kreme Christ, look out the goddamn window! Amiga is going to *have* to piggyback on top of technology like this to get affordable hardware. Do you think Genesi could make it on just their PPC boards alone? Of course not. Their rolling their IP into stuff like STB's where they can actually MAKE SOME MONEY. Eyetech/Amiga must do the same.

To paraphrase our esteemed colleage bhoggett: "please try to use your head. It's so very important."

I'm not in *either* camp. Not Red, nor Blue. The Red guys can be over-enthusiastic at times, but you Blue-campers come up with the most ridiculous excuses for reasoning sometimes. Get a clue.



WOW.

Yeah, maybe I should stick to those "Scandinavian language boards" if someone can misunderstand me on such mindboggling levels in an English forum...

ISTR that I've explained my views on all this before, e.g. here.

Yes, of course AmigaOS will have to piggyback on (i.e. RUN ON and be SOLD FOR) third party hardware since there WILL BE NO MORE AMIGAS. Duh. For an example of third party hardware, you might have heard of the Teron/"AmigaOne" motherboards...

And this could of course be Very Good!

What sucks is that this new advantage for AmigaOS (the riddance of Amiga hardware) is removed.  There's a make-believe game that AmigaOS users for some odd reason should only be allowed to buy our third party hardware from certain "Amiga dealers", and only after it's been renamed to "AmigaSomething-or-Other", after it's been dongled, and after it's been bundled with AmigaOS.

Whatever the heck hardware designers and vendors like Genesi, Apple, Mai, Eyetech, Whatever Ltd. have to do to make a profit (STBs, trips to China, whatever) should not have to be of our concern. If one dealer fails, tough sh!t for them, we don't care, we should be free to turn to another dealer regardless of the existence or not of an absolutely useless trademark/distributor license.

"Eyetech/Amiga"? There's the problem! It ought to simply be "AmigaOS, and whatever hardware it runs on." We shouldn't have to give a damn about who resells the hardware, whether they sell it bundled with something, or what they choose to call their hardware. We shouldn't have to "support" any particular vendor just because they chose to resell a piece of hardware using an "Amiga" name. Personally, I prefer to support (with my purchase) the dealer that can offer me the best and cheapest hardware. Others might want to support e.g. a licensed dealer who offers bundled systems. It should be our choice to make.

"Other POP boards"? I would hope that the future of AmigaOS isn't exclusively planned around what POP motherboards are available today (or only whatever Eyetech can offer), but I'm afraid that's not how things are. Remember, the compulsory licensing is to govern hardware availability for us for "all future versions of AmigaOS", according to AInc. Ergo: AmigaOS has been thoroughly fµcked.

If you still don't understand what I mean, I suggest asking Bill Hoggett whom you referred to. I don't know if he agrees with me, but I know he at least understands what I'm trying to say.

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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2003, 06:07:35 PM »
Thank you for clearly explaining your position.  And while I agree with you on some of these points, I take issue with:
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There's the problem! It ought to simply be "AmigaOS, and whatever hardware it runs on." We shouldn't have to give a damn about who resells the hardware, whether they sell it bundled with something, or what they choose to call their hardware. We shouldn't have to "support" any particular vendor just because they chose to resell a piece of hardware using an "Amiga" name


That would be nice, wouldn't it?  Unfortunately these are the way deals are struck, and while Genesi's hardware is a bit less expensive,  an "A1" isn't that bad.  Remember how much an A4000T cost new?   And running AOS on Apple hardware is possible, but not really feasible, since support would b non-existant.

The west is simply dominated by x86.  If PPC can make inroads in China, that opens up the door not just for eyetech, but for anyone making PPC boards.  And if China starts making their own PPC boards, so much the better.. competion bring the price down for everyone.  
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Remember, the compulsory licensing is to govern hardware availability for us for "all future versions of AmigaOS", according to AInc. Ergo: AmigaOS has been thoroughly fµcked.

Can you support this claim with credible evidence?  Everyone likes to bash on this point, but while Fleecy will speak out regarding this, I've never seen BBRV produce anything stating this isn't true.  Can you direct me to evidence suggesting otherwise?

I apologize for being quite so harsh.  I think it was JoannaK's post right before yours that set me off.
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Re: Alan Redhouse Interviewed
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2003, 01:27:55 AM »
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Herewegoagain: Show me even single post where I have said that Genesi, Pegasos or MorphOS are perfect? I don't give Ikir-like blind praises to anyone, because I consider that stupid and sheepish behaviour.


Show me the post where I said  you did say that.  That was in response to someone saying you never made a positive comment about anything.  I'm glad you have your Pegasos.  If I could get an OS4 license for it, I may very well have one too.  Maybe someday.
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