Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse  (Read 5227 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline SystemTopic starter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2003
  • Posts: 199
    • Show only replies by System
    • http://amiga.org
AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« on: October 24, 2003, 05:20:01 PM »
Alan Redhouse and Total Amiga Magazine are working along with Amigaworld.net to provide the Amiga community with AmigaOne Updates every quarter. The first two updates from TAM issue 15 & 16 can be read here. Also an interview / user Q&A is planned with Alan Redhouse of Eyetech.

 

Offline CD32Freak

Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2003, 05:40:29 PM »
Hmmm, very interesting indeed. Thanks Alan and all who are involved in making this possible!  :-D
 

Offline Warface

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2002
  • Posts: 970
    • Show only replies by Warface
    • http://www.spacehawks.hu
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2003, 05:56:44 PM »
Quote
now have huge facial omelettes to try to remove


The pretty much insulting tone won't make my doubts entirely disappear: if the VIA issues were so widely known (and repeatedly hinted as fixed ages ago), what are the "some Linux driver - and VIA south bridge initialisation issues"?

Sorry for bringing the topic up again, but I feel the tone pretty provocating. Self contradicting statements from Ben Hermans in just a few days matter of time (by the time of the ominous checksum error screenshots) didn't help the case.

Their "rivals" had a tough time with stability as well - 2 revisions of a hardware fix, then switching the entire northbridge and building a brand new machine was a heavy financial blow.

It seems to me that those questioning the stability of either system were pretty right on spot back then. W/O omolettes to remove.

My 2 eurocents
 

Offline SystemTopic starter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2003
  • Posts: 199
    • Show only replies by System
    • http://amiga.org
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2003, 06:06:58 PM »
@ Warface

The AmigaOne-XE has gone through professional testing and the various claims have been proven to be FUD.

There will always remain smaller issues to enhance and fix, just like is the case for your Peg or probably even future Peg2. There isn't such a thing as perfect hardware or software.

The VIA Southbridge (used in millions of PCs and also Peg) issues have been well documented, but as Alan pointed out earlier it was difficult to get documentation and support from VIA in the past. Regardless any significant hardware bugs have been proven to fixable through software drivers.
 

Offline Kronos

  • Resident blue troll
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Feb 2002
  • Posts: 4017
    • Show only replies by Kronos
    • http://www.SteamDraw.de
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 06:24:25 PM »
ah Mike is at it again ......

Quote
The VIA Southbridge (used in millions of PCs and also Peg) issues have been well documented,


a) the SB used in the Peg does NOT share "the" VIA-bug, but still it had the
same probs as the A1, till those were fixed with April.

b) "the" VIA-bug is well documented, and easy to fix, but still it took >1 year
to do so.

Looking at all available info I came to this conclusion
(most positive version for the red side):

All VIA-SBs out of that era act a bit out of spec. An issue that never made
problems with x86-NBs.

But is a prob for the Articia.

What does this mean ? The articia IS buggy !

Why ?
Because it was MAI who choosed to build a chip that would rely on older
VIA-chips, while VIA sees those chips as end-of-life and won't even bother
for such small numbers as used in PPC-projects.

It was MAI's responsibilty to make sure their chip work with the line of
SBs they have choosen to support, and the ArticiaS has been available
since late 2000 (atleast) (in engineering samples).
Makes you wonder how long they'll take till they get the ArticiaP really ready,
since even the samples are allready > 1year late (and counting).

"proffesional testing"
 
Some guy running something undisclosed and stating that it was fast
isn't really worth anything ....

Send a board to c't or similar, and you will get real results (assuming they
would have any interest in such a test that is).

Alan should better keep the eggs to himself, as he had his own share in the
FUD  and "look how stupid I am comments" department

   :-P
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

Offline SystemTopic starter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2003
  • Posts: 199
    • Show only replies by System
    • http://amiga.org
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 07:07:33 PM »
@ Kronos

For years I have read your Fear, Uncertainty and Doubts with regard to the Amiga projects and most of your doubts have along the way been proven to be unfounded.

I never understood why one should FUD a rival platform when in fact they are so very much alike. Mai Logic deserves alot of credit for making both Pegasos and AmigaOne platforms a reality. This is a most excellent and professional company the various companies could learn alot from.

Both the Pegasos1 and the AmigaOne boards are already nice Linux platforms. The articia has been proven to be of excellent quality, the VIA bugs were hard to find and fix without more support from VIA, but they have done it due to the great teamwork of Eyetech, Mai Logic and AmigaOne betatesters.

The writer of that AmigaOne-XE review is an industry professional with professional equipment to his disposal.
 

Offline Warface

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2002
  • Posts: 970
    • Show only replies by Warface
    • http://www.spacehawks.hu
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2003, 07:07:52 PM »
Quote
The AmigaOne-XE has gone through professional testing and the various claims have been proven to be FUD.


Professional testing... And you are pointing me towards an user review? You must be joking.

I dare anyone to crash an April 1 Pegasos running linux DMA enabled out of hardware problems.

Yet there are issues with the April 1 fix (which I have), but require an expert.

There are some problems which don't show up in Linux, but can show up in MorphOS  purely because MorphOS is more demanding (Linux hardly uses the Radeon blitter to the same extent as morphos in case of solid window moving, resulting in sound distortion caused by the Articia AGP lock issues with Radeon). And there are those which are randomly or rarely occuring, and only in special cases.

Yet, believe me: there are serious differences between an April 1 and April 2 Pegasos.

Sorry, neither me, nor you, nor Dave P are hardware experts.

EDIT - references corrected
 

Offline SystemTopic starter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2003
  • Posts: 199
    • Show only replies by System
    • http://amiga.org
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2003, 07:19:31 PM »
You don't need to be a hardware expert to test a platform running Linux (software). To know if a system is good or not it's more valuable to be a software testing (and development) expert.

There can be endless reasons why your Peg does not work like the AmigaOne does. Yes, the AmigaOne comes with the latest revision Articia chips and the Peg1 does not, but I don't know if that is the reason. But overall the Peg1 seems to be a nice Linux platform.
 

Offline JoannaK

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2002
  • Posts: 757
    • Show only replies by JoannaK
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2003, 07:46:27 PM »
MikeB: Please.. Don't try that anymore. You have been proven wrong so
many times and still you don't seem to understand that you simply no
more have any credibility left.

I could comment AlanR:s technical knowledge and experience.. but it's
quite enough to just read his year old comments .. How sure he was
then that they have perfect product.. :-)
 

Offline legion

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jul 2002
  • Posts: 267
    • Show only replies by legion
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2003, 08:00:42 PM »
:flame:
Have you hugged your KennyR or Paul Gadd today?
 

Offline SystemTopic starter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2003
  • Posts: 199
    • Show only replies by System
    • http://amiga.org
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2003, 08:05:58 PM »
@ JoannaK

You are free to back up your claims. I could list many of your past claims and doubts though.  ;-)
 

Offline Crumb

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2002
  • Posts: 1786
  • Country: 00
    • Show only replies by Crumb
    • http://cuaz.sourceforge.net
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2003, 08:11:17 PM »
I'd like to know why people insist in mud throwing...

Articias were never used in a desktop computer and after some time problems arised, I don't know why people are so sure that Discovery chipsets is free of bugs...

on the other hand Pegasos IDE lock ups seem to be VIA related due to interrupt problems, the Frieden said a few months ago that some of the problems the One had were interrupt related due to lack of documentation and incorrect inizialization.

I'm sure that Hyperion got more information about ArticiaS than bPlan/Genesi... that would cause that AmigaOne accept more DIMM types and can run the bus at full 133Mhz.

The relationship with VIA seems to be quite good too.

This is boring.

BTW I own a Peggy but I don't like the attitude of BAFs and BMFs
The only spanish amiga news web page/club: Club de Usuarios de Amiga de Zaragoza (CUAZ)
 

Offline meerschaum

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2003
  • Posts: 1170
    • Show only replies by meerschaum
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2003, 08:22:58 PM »
Quote
The AmigaOne-XE has gone through professional testing


LOL you call THAT professional testing?, I dont but what could I expect you to offer up as proof of your claims?, I think before you or anyone claims that the AmigaOne is all rock solid and whatnot, a board should be sent to a non-biased third party and be tested by them under extreme conditions, and see how it fairs because I for one dont believe it verbatim, and to go around saying 'its solid blah blah blah' and have no proof is very counter productive, if you want to be productive? ask anandtech or another technical review site with some merit to test your board, publicly display the results...and then we can all laugh (or) listen to the 'I told ya so's'
 

Offline Warface

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2002
  • Posts: 970
    • Show only replies by Warface
    • http://www.spacehawks.hu
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2003, 08:23:28 PM »
Quote
Articias were never used in a desktop computer and after some time problems arised, I don't know why people are so sure that Discovery chipsets is free of bugs...


AFAIK no one stated that it is free of bugs. The discovery chip's abilities are still subject to determination. But it is OT
 

Offline SystemTopic starter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2003
  • Posts: 199
    • Show only replies by System
    • http://amiga.org
Re: AmigaOne Updates by Alan Redhouse
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2003, 08:37:55 PM »
@ meerschaum

Well it's the writer's profession to test software and he did his testing in professional settings, thus I consider this to be a review done by a professional tester instead of by just some ethusiast.

BTW, DaveP has done some interesting additional performance testing for anyone who is genuinely interested.   8-)