Reasons to not buy a CPU

[bloodline]

Since AROS Runs on AMD processors, Intel Processors and Motorola Processors, here is a funny thing I found on the Inquirer

Top Ten Reasons not to buy an AMD Chip:
1 Only INQUIRER readers have heard of AMD
2 Its silk screen printing has been outsourced to India
3 Like Carly Fiorina's HP, it's using SITEL
4 There are too many pins on its chips
5 There are too few pins on its chips
6 It hasn't got Pat Goldfinger working for it
7 Its executives run away from Maureen Gara, Charlie Demerjian and Mike Magee
8 It doesn't know how to throw good parties any more
9 Hector Ruiz is the CEO now
10 Err... that's it. µ


Top Ten Reasons not to buy an Intel Chip:
1 Intel chips don't warm the room up as much as Athlons
2 Athlons do more per clock cycle
3 Intel CPUs make a bigger hole in your pocket.
4 Intel changes form factors/slots/ pinouts more frequently than Hector changes his underwear
5 RMBS Inc
6 Intel supplies chips used in a mass market games console designed by Microsoft
7 It's not as exclusive as AMD
8 Intel tried to force everyone to use expensive RDRAM
9 Did we mention Rambus ?
10 Intel is not suffering as much as the rest of the IT industry (very British, I know) µ


Top Ten Reasons not to buy a Motorola Chip:
1 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
2 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
3 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
4 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
5 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
6 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
7 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
8 It soon won't make semiconductors any more
9 Er, that's it, except for...
10 Hector Ruiz used to be in charge of Power PC chips there..


Made me laugh anyway

[that_punk_guy]

I like the Athlon one. Using an Athlon 1800-based PC has actually cut my gas heating bill :-D

[mikeymike]

Do you know what core AthlonXP you're running?  There have been two available for the 1800+: Palomino and Thoroughbred-A.

They can be identified easily by the shape of the die.  Palomino is square, Thoroughbred is rectangular.

Palomino cores output tonnes more heat.  First hand experience.

[Ilwrath]

I like the Athlon one. Using an Athlon 1800-based PC has actually cut my gas heating bill

Yeah, I closed the heat vent to my back room, it was getting too warm!  It was good that the gas bill went down...  Helps free up some money to pay for the hellish electric bill.  ;-)

[Waccoon]

Palomino cores output tonnes more heat. First hand experience.

I absolutely loved my 1600+ Palomino.  Wonderful performer and heat wasn't really so bad.  Then I upgraded to a 2600+ Thouroghbred B.  The die is so much smaller that it cooked under the copper heatsink.  The aftermarket heatsink I tried was even louder and didn't cool much better, so I replaced it with a P4.  My machine is now very cool and quiet, but suffers from many performance issues, including studdering and very slow performance in older games than the Athlon.

I would've added another line to the AMD list:  they don't cap their cores.  Of course, that's changing with Athlon 64.  I might very well go back to AMD, after all.

PS - Anybody know about P4 or i865 stability problems?  With my Athlons I haven't seen a BSOD in more than a year.  Now that I have a P4, I've seen 4 catastrophic crashes in two weeks!  I know some apps like Flash Player 6 crash like crazy on the P4, but is there a bigger problem, here?   :-?

[graffias79]

P4s and their chipsets are really picky about installing INF and chipset patches as soon as the os is installed, in fact somewhere on their site is an actual list of what to install in what specific order.  I'm not sure if it's such a big deal now as it was when the first s423 P4s came out.  I do know there really is a performance hit if you don't do it right tho.  I wonder why? :-?

[that_punk_guy]

mikeymike wrote:
Palomino cores output tonnes more heat.  First hand experience.

I have a Thoroughbred. You mean it could have run hotter?  :-o  ;-) One good thing I have to say about my Athlon machine is I haven't had a single BSOD since I bought it about 5 months ago :-) (Running Win2k. Now if only Bill would opensource that... he he... oh well.)

[Athlon]

The Thunderbird core had more heat and heat related issues than the Palomino core. I use a Thermaltake Volcano 7 on my XP 1900+ and always run under 42 C even when maxing it.. The same on my old 1.2 Thunderbird would yeild low 50's... Even the newer P 4's have has some heat issues.... But then the stock fan and heat sinks on AMD aren't really that good anyway....I wonder how the clawhammer 64 bit processor is? I still think G5 (as well as G4 and G3) are much cooler anyway 8-)

[lorddef]

I have an athlon4 1.4 Ghz here with a thunderbird core, boy it runs hot.  about 50 degrees at idle, and that goes up to about 58 to 60 degrees under heavy load!

[Calen]

There hot, i know :-)

I have an Athlon 1800XP, no idea what core it has but i bet it's the hot one, at the moment it idles around 50/53 c, under load much higher.
 During the summer my idle time was easily 60+ and under load was around 70. For cooling i use Volcano 7.
Did i mention we had a hot summer?  ;-)

Ah well...this could be me well sorted for heating this winter :-)

[Floid]

Yep, Athlons have been warm.  The thing people forget is, they're rated to *take* the heat they produce.  As long as it's kept within the range specified in the datasheets, you can expect it to tick away as long as anything else, or until your Taiwanese capacitors explode.

Meanwhile, if you've missed the chatter on the brit sites (Inq/Reg), they're doing something ridiculously smart.  Everything in the Hammer (AMD64) line runs cold now, but they won't specify the current dissipations - only the *peak* they'll ever allow for the model line, capped at a toasty 89W.

Wait, isn't that ridiculous?
http://theinquirer.net/?article=11948

Aha!  Any "Opteron/A64-ready" heatsink ever made actually *will* be ready to take the load a year or more down the line.
http://theinquirer.net/?article=11964 - Third letter down.

Future-proofing from an x86 vendor.  Who'd've thunk.

[amigamad]

I have an athlon4 1.4 Ghz here with a thunderbird core, boy it runs hot. about 50 degrees at idle, and that goes up to about 58 to 60 degrees under heavy load!

id be worried about that my old ahlon 1.2 never got that hot and my ahlon xp2400 does not get above 32 at idle.I use a  thermaltake heatsink and a cheap 3000rpm fan due to something i should not have done ill get a proper fan later old one could be adjusted up to 5000 something rpm. :-)

[JetRacer]

I use Spire EagleRockII with my 1.666GHz AMD plug. 41 degrees w/o load, 44 with load (2800 rpm). The bad stats is probably related to me not able to remove all of the old thermal pad from the chip :-(

I really reccomend the EagleRockII. Technicly well designed with a big fat lump of copper in the middle and the fan chassi is cast in aluminum. It's relatively cheap and very quiet too. Not to mention that it's one of the few that actually fits my Epox mobo.

[Seehund]

JetRacer wrote:
I use Spire EagleRockII with my 1.666GHz AMD plug. 41 degrees w/o load, 44 with load (2800 rpm). The bad stats is probably related to me not able to remove all of the old thermal pad from the chip :-(

I wouldn't say that those are bad stats.

My two Palomino AthlonMP 1900+ (oc'd to ~1750MHz, or something like "2200+") weigh in at ~60 deg. C under max load (i.e. always ).
Spire Whisperrock II HSFs here.

As long as it's below what AMD says is the max (80-85 deg. IIRC), I don't worry about it.

[lorddef]

@calen

Yeh its still running good  :-)

@amigamad

No reason to be worried, it's one of the hottest in the series and it's rated to run fine at 90 degrees C, although it shouldn't get anywhere near that.