MorphOS Java VM in the Works

[System]

After OpenBeOS gets a preliminary version of Java, Dr. Richard Lipes is currently working on the MorphOS Java Virtual Machine. If you are interested in assisting him, you can contact him through the MorphOS Developer Connection.

[redrumloa]

Gimme gimme gimme gimme:-)

[takemehomegrandma]

:-o

I understand that this is a real Sun based source port of Java Hotspot VM?

[sdesros]

Ooo...  Maybe I can finally bring my work at home.  :-D

[amigamad]

Great news now all we want is the pegasos 2 machines to be released then i can buy one . :-)

[Hooligan_DCS]

I wonder how I have even lived all these years during Java existence pretty much not using it



slow'n'bloat.. yeehaw.. lets go nuts

[GadgetMaster]

Slightly OT

Keeping Java proprietary was one of Sun's biggest mistakes.

I have a feeling that other solutions will soon render Java useless.

I won't miss it much when it's gone. Overhyped IMHO.

Interesting Article about SUN

[Hooligan_DCS]

@GadgetMaster 

Word.

[MarkTime]

Java is used all the time, I even have a java program to write where I work.

the jvm is built into the worlds most used database, oracle, and in addition to that, you find it all over the place in enterprise applications.

of course, not sure what that success has to do with morphOS and consumer success.

The problem with java is not bloat, its the way it implements semaphores....many of these concerns have been overcome with faster hardware and new virtual machines.

so then you have complaints for these consumer systems, that its not really write once, run anywhere, the interface is a bit kludgy...

but you know, where it has found its home in enterprise computing its every good at, and there is no replacement right now...  .NET doesn't even run on unix machines, for the most part.

I know some linux efforts, and the clr Microsoft ported to bsd...but for the most part, its really not there, and java won't be going away anytime soon.

I'm not sure having java on MorphOS is any kind of panacea, but if you use MorphOS and then 3 cheers for another option!  Whats bad about that?  It's great.

[GadgetMaster]

Server side scripting is a niche where Java finds its uses. But again it has some good competition in this market aswell.

Applets embedded in webpages are being taken over by other technologies such as Flash etc. which  is quite advanced nowadays and is accepted as a standard.

Java for the desktop never really took off. It has always been something you can live quite happily without.

This is not to undermine the efforts of developers porting JVM to Amiga platforms. Their work should be appreciated. At this point in time Amigans need  every possible feature to play catch up, however limited in use.

[smithy]

>Keeping Java proprietary was one of Sun's biggest
>mistakes.

I wouldn't call it proprietary, The Java Community Process (JCP) allows Java developers to get involved and shape the future of the Java platform - this includes contributing code.  I think even core language features, such as Generics in the forthcoming Java 1.5 were contributed to by members of the Java community, and not just Sun themselves.  This kind of coordinated effort with a single focus is probably what has made Java so successful.

The source code for the JVM is also available for educational uses and those interesting in porting.

[smithy]

>Server side scripting is a niche where Java finds
>its uses. But again it has some good competition in
>this market aswell.

Java's biggest market is undoubtedly on the server - not scripting, but in application servers and Enterprise Beans.

>Java for the desktop never really took off. It has
>always been something you can live quite happily
>without.

There are hundreds of thousands of Java desktop applications!  A lof of it is internet software which would be extremely useful to MOS, but there is also a lot of development, research and educational software too - perfect for us computer enthusiasts, which is what MOS is aimed at after all!  There is a great deal of good quality Java software out there - it will boost MOS's runnable software numbers enormously.

A Java port also makes MOS usable for computing science students - I used to use my old Amiga for university C++ programming and typing up essays - but all that changed in later years of my degree when Java came along.

>This is not to undermine the efforts of developers
>porting JVM to Amiga platforms. Their work should
>be appreciated. At this point in time Amigans need
>every possible feature to play catch up, however
>limited in use.

Exactly!  However, I believe the Java port is very important, and may well play a big part in convincing people that MOS is not a toy platform.

[magnetic]

To make Java a reality on MorphOS I think any developers/programmers out there assist Richard in any way possible. He is an old school Amiga person and could pull off a minor miracle by making Java happen! Good luck

magnetic

[toRus]

JVM and OpenOffice for MorphOS ?
LOL ! Believe it when you see it. I would love to but It's not going to happen.

Keeping Java proprietary was one of Sun's biggest mistakes.

BTW, Java is NOT proprietary. .NOT/C# IS.

I have a feeling that other solutions will soon render Java useless.    I won't miss it much when it's gone. Overhyped IMHO.

You will see Dell die before Sun goes away. You shouldn't believe all these reuters/cnews/... articles after all.

Java has no competition from .NET. It has some issues but it keeps improving and evolving, It'll stay at the top for many years to come.
M$ will have a slice of the enterprise world (mainly due to IBM's support) but it will be a small one. You could call .NOT a failure so far. Perhaps M$ would have better luck pursuading the world that VisualBasic is the future. And you would expect the same number of "analysts", "experts" and "media" spreading the same FUD they always did.

[AmiGR]

Sorry toRus, but a Java port *will* happen.
This is not a hobby low cost project by anyone
anymore. It's a job of a professional developer.
Development of/for MorphOS happens in a very
organised manner now, you would be surprised
by the MDC.