The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated

[Rassilon]

@takemehomegrandma

the reason that Genesi's attempt at getting the trademark should have been mentioned is because of exactly what you said:

Hehe, come on, do you *really* think that Genesi for a single moment really thought they had a chance to aquire the trademarks by sending in that form? That was just for the laughs

Genesi did it to cause trouble for Amiga inc - the article is about Amiga and the troubles they had - your statement goes to show that their troubles were not just caused by bad management. Now before you say they should have renewed the trademark, well people under pressure forget things, we are after all human!

@ Bill Hoggett

bbrv said MANY times on Amiga.org/Ann.lu that they were trying to get the trademarks, so therefore it is factual. Someone even posted their application on Ann.lu IIRC

As for the extra comments all they illustrate is that Bill McEwen did not know the finer details of the suit filed by his lawyer, not uncommon when dealing with the ins and outs of corporate law.

Rassilon

[Warface]

Now before you say they should have renewed the trademark, well people under pressure forget things, we are after all human!

But they don't blame it on someone else, like you do.

[System]

Looks like someone on staff took your advice and set up an Editorials "section" (on the left).  I would always advise that future editorials here be posted as news, though under the Amiga.org announcements category, pointing to the editorial in the section.  They have to be posted as news, to allow for comments and I would believe that any editorial written as well as this one DESERVES to be on the front page.

Don't remove this one though, it's far too late for that.

Wayne

[Rassilon]

@Warface

If you read what I wrote carefully you will see that I am not blaming Genesi for Amiga forgetting to renew their trademark, I am however blaming Genesi for trying to take advantage of the situation just to make Amiga's situation worse!

[Kronos]

a) bbrv wanted "the name": was more of a joke after a failed troll-attempt against Genesi.

It was AInc who let it slip, and it is just normal buisness for their competitor to make
use of such an utterly stupid failure.

Just imagine Coca-Cola having to recall a million cans due to a foul taste.
Do you think Pepsi would let PR-oppurtunity pass,just to be nice ?

This is buisness, no love-in  ;-)

@Argo

The courts might not allow for the continuation of the contract but would most likely allow Hyperion to release OS4 to recoup its loses in development. Not doing so, would have the courts put Hyperion in the same boat as Bolton, Fontenue, and other creditors

Not sure wether Hyperion wouldbecome a creditor,but if they do,they would
end uplast line, and if anybody "before" them wouldn't like OS4 relased under
that contract...

They can either hope that the contract-term is valid (something I find abit hard to
believe),or they go to GateWay for an direct licence.

Looking at some of the later OS4-screenshots, I get the feeling that this might
allready have happened.

[Radfoo]

Again, not sure where you EVER got this idea. It's a prime example of rumors being spread without basis of fact.

I had read it here lots of times before and never seen it denied. So I beleived it to be true.

Sorry about that :-)

[amigamad]

The article was very well written and was not biased at all .
Even when bill and fleecy first bought amiga it was only time before they went bankrupt its happend to three much bigger companys before .If it was me id have sold the company to microsoft long before things got this bad. :-o  :-o

[redrumloa]

I never see the negative news on genesiss in this Web

Do you want us to make up something? Any current news can and will be reported, no matter what it is.

@naysayers

There is nothing wrong with JamesR's article, it is all based on fact and carefully written to not sound one sided or another. If you can't handle simple facts, that's your problem. Amiga.org has never and will never censor or cover up factual information just to please one person's agenda. Get over it.

I love how people are screaming agenda, truly clueless. Any person paying attention would know JamesR is a A1/OS4 supporter with little to no interest in the Pegasos/MOS.

[Radfoo]

Looks like someone on staff took your advice and set up an Editorials "section" (on the left).

Cool, thats better!

[the_leander]

Superb article, well written and without the comentary that usually ruins it.

I must admit that this sort of thing was needed to put many things in perspective for me at least, to have all the problems and the crap thats gone off over the past couple of years all put down clearly in one place.

I don't see it as detracting from the AmigaONE or AmigaOS4 because Ainc have nothing to do with either. But I think it does show up glaring problems with Ainc's buisness that simply cannot be denyed, yes it could be spoon fed but ffs we're adults here, we shouldn't need it spoon fed!

Well played folks, damned well played :-D

[TheMagicM]

James, good job on the article. It was well written.

[whabang]

Good article!

[whabang]

Just imagine Coca-Cola having to recall a million cans due to a foul taste.
Do you think Pepsi would let PR-oppurtunity pass,just to be nice ?

:lol:

[Tigger]

You know as well as I do that Party Pack and CAM promotions
would not be included in that figure unless a class action
was undertaken and was successful.

I'm sorry you are very confused, the debt to the Party Pack people and the CAM people is a debt for Amiga Inc, how do you think that is not true???   Why do you think that they have to sue Amiga Inc for this to be a debt???  

You know nothing of the status of the employment of the
Amiga Inc staf, how they have been paid ( salaried? options? per
profit? voluntary ).

I know what Bill McEwen said during his deposition, (and the letters to the judge dating back to August).  He is on the record saying he has not paid his employees since June 2002, and that the employees are working with the belief that they will get their back wages when it is turned around, thats all in the deposition, now if you want to argue what that means, fine, but lets understand that I am just using the legal documents (including the deposition) for my analysis, so if you want to argue I am wrong, I am going to need similar backup for your point of view.

Really upsets you that Hyperion and Eyetech may continue to
trade unnaffected doesn't it. I notice you have finally allowed that
chink of doubt to creep into your argument "usually" and you still
miss out who the contract is with - or perhaps you do not know yourself?

No actually it would be great, but Bens comments make me not believe its so, we've had lots of business partners declare bankruptcy (including Commodore), I actually know what happens at a US Corporate bankruptcy, I have a bankruptcy proof contract (Bens line) doesnt happen.   I am guessing you are implying that Bens contract is with Amiga LLC (the Gateway subsidiary) , if true, that would be great, but since every comment has talked about his contract with Amiga Inc, either Bens been lying to us (and in fact to me directly at Amiwest) or your belief is wrong.   Does every contract get cancelled??  No, in fact your implication that I have said that they do is incorrect if we look at past postings, but a bankruptcy judge is going to look for large cash inflow on a contract (or loss of vital services) to not cancel a contract during a liquidation, and neither the contract with Hyperion nor that with Eyetech meets either of those two criteria.
     -Tig

[bhoggett]

@Wilse

It looks like an editorial to me. Editorials have always been posted in the "News" section, and this one happens to be particularly factual. The forums are for individuals to post their opinions, which is not how I would class this article.

[MarkTime]

@Russell,

Good article.  This is quality journalism.  It really displays well, why an independent site, like Amiga.org can do the best job of presenting amiga news, and fansites like some of the 'competitors' to this site, and fan magazines, like the competitor to amiga.org magazine, simply cannot provide this level of journalism.

They are so intent on believing Genesi is their competitor, that they then conclude their own mentioning of Genesi makes them balanced.  That if they don't attack Genesi, they have a right to expect their own dark history to itself, be ignored.

I never before believed that Amiga.org was capable of taking a principled stand and giving light to the truth...and many people did not know the truth, certainly many new comers and occasional readers of the site, needed this article.

@Miffy,

You believe in free speech but not the right to be rude?   Then you don't believe in a free speech at all, my friend.  You believe in very censored speech.

How is someone supposed to pass your judgement of rude?

It is, of course, not wise to be rude, but to outlaw it, is absurdity.  Not everyone has the same capacity to express themselves in words...when they are rude they leave the impression, in my mind, that they lack the refinement and education to express themselves in a more eloquent manner....and thats hardly a good impression.  But I wouldn't have people start taking intelligence tests before they can speak.

If you don't believe in the right to be rude, you don't believe, or understand the concepts behind free speech at all.  I didn't listen to anything else you said after you made that comment.