The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated

[TallAmigan]

This forum is all starting to sound more and more like ANN...

That is not good.....

[LP]

@meerschaum

You should be able to take a forum seriously.
Isn't that why we all use this forum? -Amiga.org is, in my eyes, a forum to be taken serious indeed...
-And Sorry for interupting your message to kees

About the article:
I really think it's ok... It summed up some things in a good way, and even gave me an overall view on the situation, maybe it's not news to all of you guys but this article gives people a chance of review the situation again..
And I definetly think it should be on the front page... How many users are on amiga.org? -And how many of these all know the current status of Amiga Inc.

-It's depressing (news) anyhow...

-LP

[meerschaum]

@LP

no need to be sorry about interrupting my messege to Kees.

I dont mean to say this or other forums are just 'lie filled nonsense' or whatever, but you cannot take this so seriousely your going to run away if someone calls you a name, or get very angry because a moderator didnt do what you wanted them to. Its a private website with individuals posting in the forums.

[System]

Don't forget that AO is hosted on Genesi servers.

Wrong.  I have zero idea where you got this idea.

Several AO former team members now work or are affiliated with Genesi.

Absolutely true.  What's your point?  There are only Targhan and myself, and if you've noticed (which I'll bet you have conveniently NOT noticed), both Dave and I have pretty much stayed clear of any conversations, decisions, or interests in Amiga.org.  To put it damned bluntly, we simply don't have time for it any more.

This thread was a bit different (and is my first real post in what seems like forever) because it's important.  No one can help the fact that there is a large segment of this community who doesn't like and randomly refuses to accept the facts.

[Wilse]

Nothing here is new! It's not news, it's an article, a "chronical" (if that is the right word?) ...

Really?

I was under the impression that this section was for News articles.

My mistake.

[Bluntman]

Check yer FACTS, man.  These look real enough to me. Even it the guy that got the public records is abit of a wack job.  Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same. Try doing some research.

Publicly Available Court Documents

[System]

It also should be said up-front that amiga.org server is hosted by Genesi,

Again,  not sure where you EVER got this idea.  It's a prime example of rumors being spread without basis of fact.

We're hosted by rackshack.net on servers that we have paid for, for about the next 14 months.  Rackshack is one of the world's largest dedicated server providers, serving literally millions of domains and hosting literally thousands of servers.

Cite your proof on this one please, because I, for one, am very sick of hearing it.

[LP]

@meerschaum

I see your point, and as you say there is no need for people to run away if they get
-pushed to far-, but I do know how rough people can be sometimes (some more than others), and people should still have respect for eachother.
I'd guess we agree, so I'll stop this (somewhat silly) discussion (started by my self) now :-)

It was simply a reminder on the aspects of seriousity in forums ;-)...

[System]

but it´s very suspicious that always leaves east type the news when there are good news on about aone/os4.

Actually, no, it's not.  I know that James had been agonizing over the writing of this article, having put it through several revisions over the last several weeks.  

When writing an indepth editorial, you cannot plan around the news which is being posted in the meanwhile.  For example, during the time James took to piece this together (while reading and absorbing all the court documentation), Amiga Inc could have easily either gotten a new investor or they could have physically filed bankruptcy.   Either of which would have negated any real need for this article.

There was new court evidence even presented after James started writing the article for which he had to back up and adjust again.

James did a great job and is not to blame if certain people simply cannot handle the facts.

[Prmetime]

Frankly I really don't understand what all the conflict is about.  This article seems to be pretty clear cut and it isn't like many of us haven't suspected that something is going on at A Inc.  I had hoped it may not be this serious but that is life. We shall have to wait and see as always.

Having been an Amiga person since 1990, I have watched with joy or trepidation the whole Amiga saga.  That doesn't make me any more qualified than anyone else but here are a few opinions.  What the Amiga needs, no matter who runs it, is a clear cut idea/business plan. Frankly Commodore lost sight of that including just about every other owner since then.  The ideas I have liked the best since the demise of Commodore have been Gateway's revised kernal based on QNX and A Inc's Amiga Anywhere.  However neither of those have come to fruition.  Gateway decided to get out of the Amiga business and frankly, I haven't seen any clear direction from AInc in the past few years.  Now we may not have the chance. Then again we might.  However it isn't clear how.

I am not a Genesi person.  I planned (maybe still plan) on buying an A1 and AOS4.  However the one thing that Genesi appears to have gonig for it is a strong idea of where it wants to go. So do Hyperion and Eyetech.  A Inc appears to me to have been floundering for the past couple of years.  Now we have this article.  Frankly, for the Amiga to survive based on AOS3.9, then I think we would be better off to have Hyperion in charge of the software as they know what they want to do and have a direction.  Eyetech is working the hardware though don't be surprised if other hardware manufacturers get involved if they think there is money to be made ( Look at Merlancia who are trying to make an Amiga PPC motherboardl).  Yet both Hyperion and Eyetech KNOW what they want to do. That is what may make the A1 work well enough to continue the Amiga in the A Inc direction.

So, while it would be tragic if A Inc goes bankrupt, it may end up being a blessing in disguise if Hyperion or someone else with a history of making their plans come to fruition takes over.  Even if Genesi were to buy out A Inc (if something like that is even a possibility), you would have the advantage to not having this stupid split in a ridiculously small computer market.  In the end, as much as I would love there to be an Amiga when I'm old and grey, I have a feeling it will still be an old A3000 or other "Classic" Amiga running whatever OS is out there while everyone else has HAL 9000s and laughs behind their backs at that "crazy old coot".  

Prmetime

[Wilse]

@Wayne:

Either of which would have negated any real need for this article.

I don't see that there *is* any real need for this article.
Could you please explain to me what this *need* is?

James did a great job and is not to blame if certain people simply cannot handle the facts.

I agree that it is a well written, interesting article.

[bhoggett]

@Wayne

Again, not sure where you EVER got this idea. It's a prime example of rumors being spread without basis of fact.

I'm afraid it's down to the nice folks on "the other site". Some bright spark realised that Amiga.org and MorphZone were hosted on the same server, and therefore "deduced" that the Amiga.org server must be owned by Genesi and that they are clearly funding the entire operation.

This little "proof" is wheeled out periodically but regularly on "the other site" as evidence that this is a Genesi controlled site, and the locals are lapping it up.

You're wasting your time telling them it's not true, because they invariably "know better".

Some things will never change.

[bhoggett]

@Wilse

I don't see that there *is* any real need for this article.
Could you please explain to me what this *need* is?

and then...

I agree that it is a well written, interesting article.

Methinks you've answered your own question. There is always a need for well written, interesting articles, particularly when they cover relevant subjects that have previously only been reported amidst monumental hysteria on both sides.

[System]

I'm afraid it's down to the nice folks on "the other site". Some bright spark realised that Amiga.org and MorphZone were hosted on the same server, and therefore "deduced" that the Amiga.org server must be owned by Genesi and that they are clearly funding the entire operation.

Well, that explains it.  Thanks very much.  What I find amazing is that we bought our own services at Rackshack.net (which is now "Everyone's Internet") but Dave got a friend of his at IBM (Gary Sarff) to host morphzone.org on a virtual domain on a machine that Gary himself was leasing from Rackshack.  (Remember, this is WELL before Dave was ever employed or even approached by Genesi)

Dave then actively helped me (and Amiga.org) in the transition off of Amiga's server (in their office) to the servers at rackshack.net, but the fact that we use the same hosting provider is supposed to be some sort of damnable proof that Amiga.org is hosted by Genesi...?  Incredible leap of logic..

For what it's worth, we're using rackshack.net at the recommendation of Dave, Gary Sarff, Damien McKenna, and about a dozen people at Intercosmos.  So far I think it's worked out pretty well.

[Wilse]

@BillH:

Methinks you've answered your own question. There is always a need for well written, interesting articles, particularly when they cover relevant subjects that have previously only been reported amidst monumental hysteria on both sides.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant the need for a well written, interesting article to be presented as *news*.

Until today, I thought a suitable forum was the designated place for this type of thing.

[Rassilon]

@takemehomegrandma

the reason that Genesi's attempt at getting the trademark should have been mentioned is because of exactly what you said:

Hehe, come on, do you *really* think that Genesi for a single moment really thought they had a chance to aquire the trademarks by sending in that form? That was just for the laughs

Genesi did it to cause trouble for Amiga inc - the article is about Amiga and the troubles they had - your statement goes to show that their troubles were not just caused by bad management. Now before you say they should have renewed the trademark, well people under pressure forget things, we are after all human!

@ Bill Hoggett

bbrv said MANY times on Amiga.org/Ann.lu that they were trying to get the trademarks, so therefore it is factual. Someone even posted their application on Ann.lu IIRC

As for the extra comments all they illustrate is that Bill McEwen did not know the finer details of the suit filed by his lawyer, not uncommon when dealing with the ins and outs of corporate law.

Rassilon