The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated

[DaveP]

Freedom of speech I agree with Kenny, freedom to be rude I do not.

Ponder the difference between these two statements:

#1 President Bush made an error of judgement over Iraq, this will be the way history remembers him. People that side with Bush at the moment either fail to see this or give him too much leeway.

#2 President Bush is a retard, he f**ked up over Iraq. Those that stick up for him are just crazies and cultists.

I do not wish to be insulted, you insulted me as you insulted anyone who fails to be moved by your invective.

As for my reasons for not buying a Pegasos, they remain as a matter of principle. I will not buy them as long as "mouthy blue trolls" continue to be as rude, insulting and devisive as you so wonderfully demonstrated. If you and others put your arguments with less venom and vitriol and a damn sight more respect for your fellow Amiga community members then I would not feel so alienated.

Instead of buying a Pegasos, I have bought ( each time I had the free money available and seriously thought about it I end up reading something like the above from you ):

1. A playstation 2
2. A portable DVD player and LCD screen
3. An LCD screen TV
4. A new PC
5. A Compaq IPaq

What will it be this time I wonder?

[KennyR]

It's not a news item, L8-X. It's an article. There's nothing new here.

As for the A1-lite, if it costs something like £400 for a motherboard, then it won't be a success, whether you can blame that on Genesi or not. AInc's full demise might actually put that price down: less licencing to pay.

For something thats already dead, you guys are making sure it stays that way.

Aren't you annoyed by the people who keep saying Elvis is alive even though it's obvious he's dead?

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Rassilon

1) It doesn't mention that Genesi went after the Amiga trademark to cause Amiga problems.

Hehe, come on, do you *really* think that Genesi for a single moment really thought they had a chance to aquire the trademarks by sending in that form? That was just for the laughs, to make it visible in another way how the situation is over at Amiga Inc. Of course, some people still failed to see it ...

BTW, the article also doesn't mention the starving children in Africa, Osama Bin-Laden, Saddam, etc. And you know why? Because it was an article about Amiga Inc and their problems!

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Wilse

And how is this news?

Nothing here is new! It's not news, it's an article, a "chronical" (if that is the right word?) ...

[Kees]

I'm no legal expert ... but maybe its wise for Amiga Inc. to give up and sell their trademarks to Hyperion and/or Eyetech ...

[mikeymike]

To the people who are claiming that this is a pro-Genesi biassed article, would you like to point out just how it is being biassed?

I am not "pro-Genesi".  I have nothing to do with Genesi and little or nothing to say about their products, however I don't see anything biassed about this article.  An article about Amiga Inc's misfortunes up to the present does not mean a biassed article.  As someone else on this thread "Amiga Inc is not your church".

Something else - if things continue as bleakly as they have for Amiga Inc recently, you should expect to read about them elsewhere on non-Amiga news sites.  Will they all be "biassed towards Genesi" as well?  Or is it just that we're interested in the Amiga's future, so therefore we must have an angle with this article?

Furthermore, the people who consider this article biassed - how would you say things are at the moment?  If you wish to do a writeup of your take on Amiga Inc's present situation I'd be more than willing to read it.

[Paul_Gadd]

This so called professional company ripped off Amiga users, worst mistake they ever did and deserve to die for that alone.

[KennyR]

DaveP wrote:
Freedom of speech I agree with Kenny, freedom to be rude I do not.

Ponder the difference between these two statements:

#1 President Bush made an error of judgement over Iraq, this will be the way history remembers him. People that side with Bush at the moment either fail to see this or give him too much leeway.

#2 President Bush is a retard, he f**ked up over Iraq. Those that stick up for him are just crazies and cultists.

My choice of response would depend on the context. Speaking in a controlled, adult thread it would be #1. Speaking in a thread where the average statements included "well, they deserved it", "who cares about dead arabs?", or I saw the pictures of civilians horribly maimed, my response would be #2, and my conscience would be clear.

An extreme example, maybe, but I hope the comparison is clear.

[DaveP]

Excuse me, I am not saying that this article is biased, although frankly I fail to understand why it is even posted now rather than a month ago when it would have been more pertinent. However, that is a minor issue.

What I dislike is that you continue to allow an insulting tone and for those that have chosen not to buy into Pegasos be described as "crazies" and "followers of the name". KennyR clearly posted flamebait. Yet it still goes unmoderated.

[DaveP]

Very clear to me Kenny, so why did you chose to reply in the tone of #2.

I would expect an intelligent adult to initially try to raise the tone, not lower it. Then, if this fails, try to talk in the same language e.g. #2.

The first is being respectful, and putting the point of view across ( although light on rationale ), the second similarly puts the point of view across but liberally insults too.

[KennyR]

What I dislike is that you continue to allow an insulting tone and for those that have chosen not to buy into Pegasos be described as "crazies" and "followers of the name".

Nowhere in this thread will you find anywhere where I called people who didn't buy a Pegasos as crazies or name-followers. Those descriptions stand on their own merits. Please stop squeezing my words to make them fit your own agenda.

[System]

why  you don´t make a news article on the accounts of genesis?  Or whichever Pegasos has been sold to date?  ah, that doesn´t interest.
whenever leaves the good news-(amigaone running in aone or amigaone lite )-related to amiga(original), you jump like noxious animals on the prey.  Every day I like except this.

it is already known, the one that pays, commands

[Kees]

I'd say you two settle this is private ...

[iamaboringperson]

:flame:

I wish C= never went bust ....

Yeah, so do I...
If only I could go back in time! ;-)

[bhoggett]

@Rassilon

1) It doesn't mention that Genesi went after the Amiga trademark to cause Amiga problems.

That's because any such comment would not be factual. It would be little more than speculative propaganda, whether the writer believes it to be true or not.

2) The mention of Amiga's countersuit is valid, but the comments and quotes shown afterwoods are only there to agrevate, and add little if any to the topic.

The quotes are also factual, and they do illustrate the care and attention taken by Amiga Inc when filing the countersuit. Actually, here the article may be wrong. Didn't Amiga Inc make a point of saying it's a counter-claim, not a counter-suit?

3) According to the articles breakdown of the original Amiga/Genesi contract (and I am only going on the words here as I have not seeen the original) it says that:
Quote:
The contract states that future Thendic devices may be added to this list, but those devices would require the approval of Amiga Inc. to be so added.


Surely thats means that if Amiga do not wish to approve a device to add to the list they do not have to, thus rendering Genesi's case irrelevent?

Only if you ####ume that the contract does not require specific reasons for Amiga Inc. to reject a product, such as inadequate support. Usually the conditions for acceptance or rejection are enumerated somewhere, so that contracted parties cannot make such decisions on a whim.

The actual validity of the claim is something the courts will have to decide.

[DaveP]

Kenny

I am not twisting your words to suit my agenda. You call the remaining Amiga users "dregs", "crazies" and "name followers". Your tone is insulting in the least.

Given two moderators have been here now, and failed to moderate your post ( and the responses to it ) I have to conclude that flamebait against those that are waiting for AOS4 and AmigaONE and who put counter arguments up for Amiga Inc is now acceptable under site policy and say goodbye to Amiga.org.

Now Kees, will you please delete my account. I have as promised stuck around to reconsider but it is exactly this kind of occurance ( and now see KennyR trying to distance himself from his own behaviour ) that leaves a bad taste in my mouth as an Amiga.org reader.

I certainly will not be logging in again.