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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2003, 10:11:59 PM »
I happen to be an official to Amiga.org and i also urge you not to turn this thread into another battlefield.
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2003, 10:13:07 PM »
So I'm curious, where is the big differentiator? Why would a company want MorphOS over the alternatives?


Smaller then *nix (less resource hungry), closed source (Which for some people can be a big +), perhaps more stable (Don't know) and more end user friendly... Maybe not a reason a big bussines makes it decision on..
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2003, 10:24:57 PM »
seer,

It's not a bad thing to have an in-house, light footprint OS in constant development, one that incidentally has Amiga 3.1 API capablities to start with (though that also carries its burdens - stability truly comes only from running apps that are REALLY clean). Owning the IP and thus being royalty-free has benefits that some would prefer, and some will also like the simplicity (as you noted).

If one is selling complete solutions in various smaller form factors and besides desktops, this can be of increasing value. Again, thinking in longer terms, MorphOS has the potential to morph into much more than a legacy replacement with extensions... and the developer cross-pollination is desirable as well.

Horses for courses, etc.
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2003, 10:38:30 PM »
@Greenboy,

It's not a bad thing to have an in-house, light footprint OS in constant development, one that incidentally has Amiga 3.1 API capablities to start with (though that also carries its burdens).

? I wasn't saying anything about this (..being bad..), I was trying to answer ssollie's question on why a compagny would want to boot into MOS... I just forgot to put an @ssollie above it..

Again, thinking in longer terms, MorphOS has the potential to morph into much more than a legacy replacement with extensions...

The potential... That's the keyword.. As long as MOS hasn't reached that potential yet (It may be fine for the average home user now, or the non mainstream user) but for a bussiness it's to risky to gamble on a platform this young and unproven..

Like the dual boot Windows "problem", what would you do ? Boot Linux and run major office packages and industry standard software or boot into an "unknown" OS with very little support so far while the competion and "your" would be customers use the industry standard sollutions ?
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2003, 11:07:15 PM »
>>It's not a bad thing to have an in-house, light footprint OS in constant development, one that incidentally has Amiga 3.1 API capablities to start with (though that also carries its burdens).

>? I wasn't saying anything about this, I was trying to answer ssollie's answer on why a compagny would want to boot into MOS... I just forgot to put an @ssollie above it..


seer, I was not arguing your point, I understood fully who you replied to. I was simply supplying more, along similar lines : }

>>Again, thinking in longer terms, MorphOS has the potential to morph into much more than a legacy replacement with extensions...

>The potential... That's the keyword.. As long as MOS hasn't reached that potential yet (It may be fine for the average home user now, or the non mainstream user) but for a bussiness it's to risky to gamble on a platform this young and unproven.


Understand MorphOS itself is really not the platform here, not what one is required to gamble on. Pegasos is the platform, and solutions built around it may use MorphOS or use a variety of other OSes. And this allows MorphOS to become more than what it currently is. This allows funding, and cross-pollinating. The potential is not entirely dependent on our little neighborhood's buying habits or needs - which I'm sure many will agree is a GOOD thing ; } - though the intention is to meet those long-desired needs and lots more besides... The MorphOS development team LIVES to that ideal and I doubt anybody will change their obstinant work habits or their ideals.

And as far as gambling and risk: if nobody gambles, nobody wins. The spoils will continue to go to the established high rollers for sure then. But rather than fold and take up careers in knitting there are people who would decide to stay at the game. Maybe it is foolish to try, but there you have it - that kind of foolishness is also usually the start of something new. Without trying and persisting where would the bumblebee or the Wright Bros be?

>Like the dual boot Windows "problem", what would you do ? Boot Linux and run major office packages and industry standard software or boot into an "unknown" OS with very little support so far while the competion and "your" would be customers use the industry standard sollutions ?

We really are not shooting at dual boot machines in a world that really won't care. There are many more interesting things that can be done in developer terms and in business terms - with Linux or any other OS - and the Linux community or companies looking at Linux have known this for years. There have been many products and solutions built around Linuxes or BSDs or QNX, etc, and some have succeeded, and others have been promising enough to make it worthwhile to keep trying. That there are communities behind all of these, and even proven businesses to work with already gives us some hope.

Of COURSE we could fail! But it would be even more foregone if we just stopped seeing goals worth achieving.
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2003, 12:11:32 AM »
Is it the heat or did they get a 'Lattenschuss'? Or both?

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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2003, 12:49:16 AM »
Nice point Hmetal.

Ps: why it is a "beginner" but he has 190+ posts? Because it isn't a MorphOS user?
 

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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2003, 01:03:35 AM »
@ikir

Please don't troll, no smiley makes it look like a troll.

Anyhow, it is that because the other members of the crew took to heart
all the complaining about user ranks with company names. Thus "Amiga,
Inc" rank was removed and apparently it screwed up the script to start
over.

Bend to hostile comments and just get more:-?
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2003, 01:45:28 AM »
Note that ALL the company ranks have been removed and not only the ones from Amiga Inc.
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2003, 02:40:48 AM »
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Recently, a large European media company commissioned Genesi to develop a low cost PowerPC based digital terrestrial television set-top box based on the Pegasos platform and MorphOS. ....
  At Euro 299/unit the device is a fully functional computer that can be used as a home server to find and play music or movies (irrelevant of the source), operate with a web cam as a videophone, or supplemented with WIFI features to feed multiple devices in the home.

I sure want one!
When will it be released?
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2003, 03:23:13 AM »
Will that be $50 per share?   ;-)
 

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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2003, 03:29:21 AM »
@redfox

That my friend is a function of supply and demand...;-)

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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2003, 06:40:11 AM »
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Wow, definitely a visionary (Both of them?)


Being a visionary isnt a hard thing to do. Well all have the power. Its knowing the right people or having enough money and the confidence to put your visions to work and make them successful...

Thats what sets others apart. bbrv seems to be doing just that.
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2003, 06:47:53 AM »
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If you re-read it, they're looking to reward people in the community for their hard work, not asking for hand-outs.


They're asking for people to invest(or thats what it sounded like). The rewards they're talking about are financal gains. Notice how they said it was a risky oportunity, it is, Especialy in a firm that does not have a strong revenue.

Yes they'll reward you, but only if their plans go to plan and they start making money. Im not saying their trying to diseeve you. Im just telling it how i see it. They put a lot of eye catching statements in amoungst the fact that they want/need money :).  

If however this is a kinda of, become an employee and get some stock as well, then... weird :) Dont flame me, im just telling you how i see it. Im not saying its unordinary and inmoral or anything, im only trying to figure out what the article was about, out aloud and possibly get some feedback..

A few have done just that, and i thank them. Ie greenboy...

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As for profitability, with the amount of money they've put into the business, and with the little return, you hardly think they're rolling in the money just yet? It will take them several years to recoup all their startup costs. That is expected in a business today.


Thats what i said... or atleast ment to say! Thats why it doesnt surprise me that they asking for investors... At least thats what the article was sounding like ... risky opportunity?
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2003, 07:51:25 AM »
Hey Rodney,

It's really no more about looking for investors than it is about getting people to consider in investing in their own companies, to be partners in various project ventures, as well. At least from my angle. The post is so dense with general information on so many fronts that we could extrapolate about the specifics well into next year. And that is probably desirable - to maybe get beyond this mess of "modest apps running on my desk" mentality and really stir the BIG pot might be the way to get a lot of LESS-modest apps running on our desks, eh? Imaginations are one investment...

We are trying to establish many levels and types of investment (time, money, imaginations). And truthfully the investments with individuals and smaller established Amiga-favoring companies are already going. And then there are collective efforts with high finance beginning, like the one behind GLADIATEUR. This is some ambitious stuff.

Somewhere, we know, there are entrepreneurs or would-be entrepreneurs who are not ready for that yet, but who might have big enough plans and ambitions to work in concert with others on such concepts as the internet ideas alluded to in BBRV's post : }
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Re: Genesi : 'How we see things'
« Reply #44 from previous page: August 15, 2003, 09:55:34 AM »
deja vu ?
Whats up with all the hate!