AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

[pixie]

@Wayne
These are what I find the main points in Brad's editorial


> Editor's Thoughts and Introduction:

> We were left wondering about some attendees, however. We simply
> cannot understand what the MorphOS/Pegasos team was doing there.
> For that matter, we cannot understand what they are doing at any
> Amiga show.

> There are only two things, both bad, that can come out of the Genesi
> efforts:

> failure for Genesi or depletion of the Amiga market.

> If the Amiga community were huge, it could probably support an
> unauthorized clone system with no problems. That might even lead to
> additional software, since presumably more units would be sold.

> However, the Amiga market is quite small and all this pretend Amiga
> can do is fragment it. We can't understand why any Amiga supporter
> would  want  to encourage that.

> Obviously, there are people who don't agree with us. That's the way of
> the world, there will always be many opinions about most things.

> We only hope it works out well for everyone, especially Amiga.

> We also hope you enjoy this special issue.


As you see Wayne, it has opinion tags all marked all over him, what I do not understand is why shouldn't someone have the right to express himself even more when it is expressed so clearly that it's his own opinion, one certainly have right to use his opinion to fight for what he stands for, if that wasn't the case Princess Diana would be only a Princess, U2 would be just a group and so on...

BTW Wayne, calling "defender" instead of  "cheerleader" isn't any less offensive if the feeling still is the same...

[Warface]

What'd be necessary is a request to the forum engine developers to include support for moving news items to forums. Methinks.

[System]

There is very good reason why Brad Webb is being "attacked" here, but no good reason why he has to "attack" MorphOS or Genesi.

He quotes "we" but this is obviously a personal opinion of the most blatant type. "We" might mean "AmigaUpdate", but his own "staff" Joanne, who wrote that article, had nothing but praise for us.

The big news that "my kid loaned out the PPC card that OS4 ran on" kind of takes the stance that he wants it known and wants some fame out of it.

So what? Now you're holding the PPC card that ran OS4 at Amiwest. So? We have 4 machines that were at Amiwest running MorphOS. That's 3 more machines than you have PPC cards, Brad.

*sigh*

Brad is just going out for bragging rights. He's in the Amiga/Hyperion good books now, and wants to make it know that he's the Saviour Of The Show as far as Amiga's presence is concerned.

Given that the show was Genesi, ImageFX running on MorphOS, a guy with Globes, and Jeri with the COne..  none of which are "related by blood" to Amiga.. and not much else besides a few tables littered with decrepit Amiga hardware, I don't see what the show was going to be WITHOUT Genesi to fill up the whole side of a room, and providing Kermit an OS with some performance behind it!

It's sick that Brad said those things not because I'm employed by Genesi, not because Targhan or Wayne is employed by Genesi, it's because he says that we're fragmenting the Community, where just being faithful in Amiga would.. I dunno, save it maybe, by his definition.

Well, with people moving to MorphOS, we *are* reducing the Amiga Community, that's true. We're making them the MorphOS community.

Why are they moving? Well, it's not because we bribed them, or because we practice mind control and subliminal messaging, it's because we have a product out there that meets expectations, it's cheap, it's fun, it's everything that Amiga haven't produced in the last 5 years.

So if the Amiga Community whittles down to 35 fanboys on a secret mailing list, with Fleecy ordering around PPC cards for shows, so be it: MorphOS will thrive on, and the spirit will follow us, and not because we did ANYTHING dastardly other than produce what everyone wanted.

Sorry Brad, but if people want to use MorphOS, then they'll use MorphOS. No amount of positioning yourself or your son as Jesus, and no amount of decrying us will sway people who see us as the only shipping and active proponents of the Amiga philosophy.

When Hyperion have a real OS on the shelves that runs on hardware built this Millennium, and Eyetech can provide more than 10 machines a week on a 6-month waiting list, then you can bash us all you like.

When, and only if...

[bhoggett]

@pixie

Brad Webb revealed himself as a total bigot. Furthermore, although the editorial is expressed as an opinion, it makes extensive use of the Royal "we", which suggests that either Brad has serious delusions about his own status, or he is presuming to speak for everyone else who contributes to AmigaUpdate.

Flamebait is flamebait, no matter in what capacity it is expressed. The criticism so far has been much milder than the editorial deserves, IMHO.

[pixie]

"There is very good reason why Brad Webb is being "attacked" here, but no good reason why he has to "attack" MorphOS or Genesi."

Yeah... I see them on one of the first posts where KennyR states:

"Even people not on the MOS side would have to admit that Webb's statements are what I'd expect from an average namefollower ann.lu troll.

Its small-minded intolerant idiots like that who are shrinking the Amiga, not companies who are actually producing hardware and software.

Webb, you win my arse of the year award."

The way this 'announcement' was made by Tahrgan was only to stirr up flames, and that's it...

BTW... what happened to all Targhan posts!?

[downix]

no id tell you to something off as the lotto in this country is done by people picking there own numbers and there is no way you would have picked the same numbers as me.

I was referring to the ever popular scratch-off lottery tickets found in the us.

[pixie]

@ bhoggett:

When I ear BBRV, GreenBoy, Fleccy or Ben Hermans I know exactly what to expect from them, and I analise what they say, as for what Brad has said, I deal for the same way, I do not took it for granted, I took it as an opinion as it is...

[downix]

@bhoggett

Actually I'd like Hyperion, Eyetech and AInc to have their own little taglines there too.  That way all of us would be able to see what's going on.  We'd also know that "hey, that guy works for Hyperion, he might be the guy to ask about feature x, y and z."

[bhoggett]

@downix

Actually I'd like Hyperion, Eyetech and AInc to have their own little taglines there too. That way all of us would be able to see what's going on. We'd also know that "hey, that guy works for Hyperion, he might be the guy to ask about feature x, y and z."

What's wrong with using signatures for this purpose? Heck, you can even grant everyone from a particular company a company-wide avatar.

The ranking part is just that. It differentiates between users and moderators, and it reflects people's position within Amiga.org.  As things stand now the impression is that Genesi employees have a special standing on this site, and leaves it unclear whether Targhan is moderating in his role as Genesi representative or Amiga.org moderator.

Taglines are one thing, but Amiga.org must remain impartial and objective, and it must be seen to be that way. If people cannot differentiate between their roles for any one company and those at Amiga.org, then they should step down for everyone's sake.

[redrumloa]

I couldn't agree more. Please remove "Genesi USA" from the rankings, unless similar status is given to Amiga Inc, Hyperion, Eyetech, even AROS etc (where would one stop?).

Amiga Inc has had this status since before Genesi USA. It's not our fault they do not bother to post here so they are not visible. I'm not sure if Hyperion has this or not, it may need checked into.

[Casper]

When Hyperion have a real OS on the shelves that runs on hardware built this Millennium, and Eyetech can provide more than 10 machines a week on a 6-month waiting list, then you can bash us all you like.

Excuse me, but you aren't currently delivering any new machines either.

[redrumloa]

BTW... what happened to all Targhan posts!?

Apparently he felt compeled to remove them.

[bloodline]

Can I have "Cult of AROS" as my ranking?

[JoannaK]

Casper: well.. Besides that little point Neko's comment made a lot sense.  :-P

[Terminills]

Can I have "Cult of AROS" as my ranking?

could you get a second one for your openamiga affiliations too? :lol:

[System]

When we do produce machines, we have been and will be doing them at the rate of hundreds a week. We don't have lead time waiting for boards to come from Taiwan. We don't have a deadline for testing them. We can flow through a production run with efficiency and grace. We control the machines, we control the sourcing of parts, we control the design..

We successfully put out an OS update this week, a quite comprehensive software package the week before... a software package which includes most of the apps that users want or need, including Games, Paint, Office apps (soon!), CD Burners (next update , video hardware support...

We even did really well at Amiwest in the eyes of people including Ben Hermans. If Bill McEwen were there he would have come away impressed too, I can guarantee that.

We talked and demonstrated to a lot of people who didn't really know what MorphOS was about, including Joe Torre, who was amazed (and relieved that we could run Amiga software and used all the same ideologies..

We're turning heads, and not just the small people.

And we have the resources to turn more heads, produce more machines, and develop better technologies, for more markets than a bunch of snidey Brad-style fanboys could ever dream about.