AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

[jn91]

I think the AmigaUpdate newsletter is news, yes. I didn't know about it and was happy to read it.

However, I would have preferred to see the newsletter alone as a news item under the announcement section with Targhan's opinion as the first comment.

Seeing the post as it is now doesn't seem appropriate. The mixture of opinion and news is awkward in my opinion. They should be clearly seperated.

Targhan mentionned in an earlier comment that amiga.org doesn't have an editorial departement. Too bad. This would have been an excellent opportunity to write an editorial. First the news is posted alone. Then, an editorial can be posted that argues the newsletter editor's opinions with a link to the news item.

[Targhan]

[Billsey]

Unfortunately, it is true. The one time respected newsletter has lost any semblance of objectivity, and the editor Bradd Webb has taken a disturbing stance against MorphOS. Such actions do nothing but breed discord, since MorphOS has created a small, but growing, flurry of development within the community.

The paragraph above had no place in a news item. It is nothing but editorializing. The place for that is in the forums, not in the news announcements.

I have heard things—which I will not repeat here—that, should they be true and become known, would have an awful lot of people here looking and feeling very foolish for having blindly followed what they thought was a good thing. The time for bashing and name-calling must be at an end. It MUST!!!

There is way too much opinionated and uninformed spouting going on and it needs to stop now.  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x

[KennyR]

Objectivity

Being objective; uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.

Webb, however some might like to think, was not being objective. He was being biased, and perhaps even intentionally offensive to something he doesn't like. Admittedly, posting this as a news item was not exactly objective either: I can guess it was a matter of outrage that someone of responsibility could write something so clearly outrageous. And on that level I can understand it. To make these things known as they are is always a good thing.

It didn't really matter that is was aimed at MOS. But this is a newsletter; can you imagine the outrage if the Genesi website demanded that A1s weren't allowed at AmiWest because they were "Teron CX linux boxes"? Or amithlon or UAE or AROS were demanded to be banned from Amiwest because AInc saying that they are "emulators done by pirates" in Club Amiga? Of course it would cause a storm. And rightly so.

So show a little balance, people. The less inflammatory statements like this we get in the community the better. And can you think of a better way deterring people from publishing them and pulling them apart in forums with real objectivity?

[jn91]

that fact combined with the "fanboy" intro combines to make my supposed "editorial" plain and simple FACT.

Are you sure it is your decision to make?

Shouldn't the reader decide for him/herself if the intro combined with the board loan mean that the newsletter's editor has lost objectivity?

[Jose]

@Billsey
"There is way too much opinionated and uninformed spouting going on and it needs to stop now. "  

My poiint exactly. Agendas and personal opitions should be on the comment/forum not the news itself.

[cgutjahr]

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[downix]

Egads, how stupid can people be.  Bill McEwan declared the Amiga dead, and some fans decided on showing him wrong.  Those fans made a product that was pretty snappy, so AInc declared the Amiga re-alive and set out to copy them, declaring FUD against them, etc.  By then, the MorphOS folk had a product nearly finished.  Should they have just gone "Oh, well, Amiga's changed it's mind, we'll walk away from 3 years of work."  Of course not, they went "you had your chance."  

Tell me, if I am in line to buy a lotto ticket, then at the last second go "nah, I'll never win."  Then you, right behind me in line, buy the winning lotto ticket, the ticket that would have been mine if I had stayed put, do you owe it to me to give me the lotto ticket, since I would have had it if I hadn't walked away?

[Billsey]

At a recent gathering those present were told the opinion of certain dealer(s) that Amiga.org should be boycotted because its owner went to work for Genesi, and that the treatment of those who prefer Amiga, Inc. was, shall we just say, unfair, or out of balance with the treatment of those who prefer Genesi.

I countered that, defending Amiga.org and its owner, publically.

I ask those running this site, “Please! Do not make that an ill-founded defense.” Wayne is quite good at maintaining—at least outwardly—a certain degree of objectivity. There are others here who appear not so talented. I ask them to improve.

[AmigaHeretic]

I hope you're kidding me?

"the author also wrote that they provided the PPC card for OS4."  So that is proof they have lost objectivity?

So it's a fact to say, "Targhan has lost objectivity" because you WORK for Genesi which in my "announcement" err opinion is a little more likely to show objectivity has been lost then to loan a PPC board for an Amiga show.

AmigaGuy

[Targhan]

[Targhan]

[downix]

@Billsey

If we keep this balkanization going on, we will kill the community.  That goes for all sides.  I see fair treatment for all advertisers on AOrg.

I say try and see it from the other peoples side.  I posted my side above.  Can everyone understand my viewpoint?  How about someone from the "red camp" post their corresponding viewpoint to be fair?

[AmigaHeretic]

First of all, I don't think he said that MorphOS didn't have a right to exist.  I think what he was saying was that in his "opinion" MorphOS shouldn't be displayed at an Amiga show as you quoted him saying yourself.

Personally I don't agree with that.  But I really don't think he was saying "Morph OS shouldn't exist" like you're claiming.

Second, you're the one labeling people as "Fan Boy" because they support a platform that is not MorphOS.  Combine that with the fact that you work for Genesi and to me that looks like "more substantial proof" that you've more likely lost your objectivity then him.

AmigaGuy

[Seehund]

Brad Webb wrote:

... cannot understand what they are doing at any Amiga show.

[competition leads to] depletion of the Amiga market.

There seems to be a lot of this going around.

Company X happens to have bought the Amiga trademark and call themselves 'Amiga Inc.', and thus all our custom per default belong to them. Give it to me hard and long! Buy a PocketPC!

That's just achingly stupid.

The Amiga market is too small to support competing options.

Too damn right, but if either Genesi or AInc would only aim their business at us, and fight over us, the sad remnants of a former market, then they bloody well deserve what they've got coming - failure. "Oh yeah, let's (re-)make a platform, but we'll see to it that it's got no chance of ever reaching more than some of its current couple of thousand users!" Too bad that the platforms would be sucked down the drain together with their parent companies. I'm sad to see that this is exactly where AInc seems to be taking AmigaOS. Row, row, row, gently down memory lane, to some quick rent money from our only product - licensed nostalgia.  Hello Mr Hardware Maker, would you kindly pay us this measly license fee to provide some artificial respiration for a minority of luddite fanatics?

[Targhan]