AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

[Lando]

Actually TBH I don't give a damn if I'm considered an Amiga user or not any more.  Truth is my Pegasos and MorphOS is better, faster and more stable than any of my Amigas ever were.  You don't want Genesi suppporting Amiga shows? Fine, but don't be surprised if there aren't any shows at all.  

In my opinion Genesi are better off attending large mainstream shows like CES, ECTS than these little amateur get-togethers.  They're worth more than this.

Leave future "Amiga" shows to the few dozen AInc worshippers who get hard at the sight of Linux running on a Teron board, a window being dragged about on a A4000 and a shareware-quality puzzle game on a Sharp Zaurus.  Maybe if they all club together they can afford to hire out a scout hut.

[Jose]

Ok, I 've read the statement now.

 If some of you do think he has the right to an opinion then why you just  jumped around and not discussed  the facts and/or your  points of view...

 Like that you "seem" to be just trying to shut him up. Contradictory don't you think?

[bloodline]

Edit by Kees - personal insult

[GadgetMaster]

Just someones short sentence describing his stance on the amiga market situation.

My first thought upon reading this story : Reporting about a report  ? Not too interesting. Hardly Newsworthy.

There exist people in this community that are strongly opposed to one camp or the other that is a fact.

Now I would not expect Amiga org to be reporting about such issues. It just does not make a good news item.

As for objectivity why should we lie to ourselves and pretend we are so objective, We are human we have emotions and we tend to favour certain things over others. Should we be heckled for our opinions/preferences?

Just stop and think a moment, would a news item be published if if for instance the webmaster of an Amiga website  just (hypothetically of course) made a comment about why he thought Morph OS was the right way forward.

Would we see a news item titled "Shock Horror Amiga site webmaster loses all credibility because he is not objective and suports a certain "side"

Of course not that would be an absurd news item as it would not truly reflect the persons opinion for one and secondly it would hardly be worth reporting on a premium Amiga site.

I would rather read about progress made in this community , positive things like 'red and blue collaboration sparks new community spirit' etc.

Or things like progress made in hardware or software related to Pegasos / Morph OS or A1 /OS4.

That is what I would consider newsworthy.

Then again who am I to criticise when I am so deprived of objectivity that I write this on a Windows XP machine.

Saying that someone who opposes your view lacks objectivity, is in itself a remark that some would consider nonobjective.

It seems that objectivity is in the eye of the beholder. ;-)

[Jose]

@Lando:
"Leave future "Amiga" shows to the few dozen AInc worshippers who get hard at the sight of Linux running on a Teron board, a window being dragged about on a A4000 and a shareware-quality puzzle game on a Sharp Zaurus. Maybe if they all club together they can afford to hire out a scout hut."

LOL!! That was funny as hell :-D  :-P

But I don't agree with your arguments regarding the TeronBoard. I mean, if JayMiner came up and made a generic PPC board with PCI etc. etc. would you call it an Amiga just because of that? And don't tell me Pegasus is a "custom" board. It's as much a generic PPC board as the Teron is. I mean PCI, DIMMs, same chipset... come on!! .

[cgutjahr]

[bloodline]

Targhan is working for Genesi, it doesn't matter how he states is opinion, he simply should not be allowed to state it at the front page. Furthermore, whoever posts his opionion to the front page, should mark it as personal opinion, not post it as an announcement.

I never knew Targhan works for Genesi... someone should update his ranking

[DethKnight]

Who the hell is Bradd Webb ?

[Jose]

Hey I didn't even knew there was still an official distributor for Imagine on the Amiga!!!!
This is great!.
Check them out at:
 http://www.cadtech.demon.co.uk/

[cgutjahr]

@DethKnight:

Who the hell is Bradd Webb ?

IIRC, he was contributing articles to various (US-based) Amiga magazines in the early nineties.

When Commodore went down under, he started to publish an Amiga newsletter (first "issue" was published three days after CBM's bankruptcy) which was originally just distributed to some people working for the same company as Bradd (again: IIRC). This newslatter was renamed into "Amiga Update" later on.

AFAIK the thing became quite popular over the years. The Archives are available online. I just recently read the old issues from 94-97 once again - quite an interesting read.

[Targhan]

[Targhan]

[AmigaHeretic]

"AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost."

Seems like a personal opinion to me.

I feel like if I were to post an 'announcement' like this on something I read somewhere it would quickly be removed from the front page and someone would say that it should go in "Forums" section of this site.

Anyone else feel like they could get away with this here?

AmigaGuy

[Jose]

@Targhan

"Oh yeah, it's not very smart to attack a webmaster on several occations. This isn't the first time you've done it. I count at least two other occations.

Have a good day, and post somewhere else."

Nice. Why attacking a  webmaster should it be different from attacking some other person? I think we know the answer...

Just because of that I checked the link
to MorphZone that cgutjahr put up in his previous post, and for  objectivity you don't have much either.  
You could allways put up a "FanBoy" tag on a user without gettin much suspect, but on the developers of the Amiga version of Imagine? Why?  
Without relevance to your issues with the program, wich seem exageratted by the way, saying:
"This package does *NOT* meet the requirements of good inclusion into our software bundle. And, that's if they WERE NOT in the "FanBoy" camp. However, they ARE in the FanBoy camp, and as far as I'm concerned they can have that piece of garbage 3D package." is way out of "objectivity" if you ask me.
Shoud we post a news item now, webmaster of A.Org lost objectivity?
You're not  making much for the credibility of A.Org. All I 'd  ask as a user is an unbiased site if you want to support the alternative platforms.  But then again, you work for Genesi, the owner of the site works for Genesi, and it was said the site is hosted at Genesi's servers so, no surprise at all.

[gary_c]

I never knew Targhan works for Genesi... someone should update his ranking

As discussed in another thread, I don't think the ranking is the place to advertise corporate affiliations. Rankings should be forum-related, either based on number of posts or a forum function such as moderator or webmaster. The signature is the place to state company or organization affiliations. This is the practice in e-mail and web forums generally and makes sense. It keeps the ranking system consistent. [end of ranking rant  ;-)]

As for Targhan's "announcement," I agree that it is more opinion than announcement, which a person generally understands to be a statement of fact. I thought Brad Webb's opinion was small-minded but, as pointed out, it's clearly marked as opinion, not part of the show report. And any response to his opinion should also be marked "opinion."

If some semblence of neutrality is desirable for Amiga.org, this kind of thing should be reflected on (have I been in Japan too long?  ;-) ). With Genesi employees and proponents so conspicuous on the staff here, there's already the tendency to think there could be an editorial bias, which wouldn't be healthy, would it? Targhan's opinion, while reasonable enough in itself, should be carefully posted so that it is clear that it is his opinion as a person, not an announcement from him as webmaster. Well, that's just IMHO, for what it's worth, meant constructively.

-- gary_c

[jn91]

I think the AmigaUpdate newsletter is news, yes. I didn't know about it and was happy to read it.

However, I would have preferred to see the newsletter alone as a news item under the announcement section with Targhan's opinion as the first comment.

Seeing the post as it is now doesn't seem appropriate. The mixture of opinion and news is awkward in my opinion. They should be clearly seperated.

Targhan mentionned in an earlier comment that amiga.org doesn't have an editorial departement. Too bad. This would have been an excellent opportunity to write an editorial. First the news is posted alone. Then, an editorial can be posted that argues the newsletter editor's opinions with a link to the news item.