AmiWest SuperBundle Edition

[Senex]

@magnetic

You think it would be ridiculous to see something "nazi" in everything and especially defaming opinions (which would be matters of course in every other country) to be "nazi" to muzzle people?

If so, I have to say two things:

1) You're absolutely right.

2) Welcome to Germany...

[Senex]

@magnetic

Yes, of course, to us it's obvious what Andre had in mind when he created this logo/cover: the old comic super-heroes. But please keep in mind what I said in my previous comment and in the one to downix.

All in all this Superbundle-hero is certainly no dramatic mistake - I just wanted to use this example to make Genesi sensitive for the matters related with being an international company with markets in culturally different countries.

But Raquel and Bill's reply reassured me that they are aware of these problematics. And as I said already many, many monthes ago on ANN and at other places I do share their opinion they mentioned here regarding the benefits of Genesi being a european company.

[takemehomegrandma]

Are those printed CD boxes in the background, or what is it?

[bbrv]

Yes!

Free to anyone who brings their Pegasos to AmiWest...;-)

R&B

[Targhan]

If I bring my Pegasos to AmiWest, will Mr. and Mrs. BBRV sign the inside of the case? :-)  And, who's going to put a G4 card in it for me? :lol:

[Andre.Siegel]

@ Senex

You think it would be ridiculous to see something "nazi" in everything and especially defaming opinions (which would be matters of course in every other country) to be "nazi" to muzzle people?   If so, I have to say two things:    1) You're absolutely right.    2) Welcome to Germany...

I live in a different Germany, then.

Seriously, I think you are overly sensitive regarding this issue. I asked several people after I read your post, and none of them mentioned it looked like it was inspired by "Nazi art". (I doubt a clearly defined category such as this exists, anyway.) Also, there are thousands of pictures, covers, etc. out there which look somewhat similar. As David Scheibler pointed out today, one could even mistake the "Deutschland sucht den Superstar" logo (popular German TV show) for a design piece from the 30s/40s. I am fully convinced that the cover is in no way offensive to the big majority of Germans, especially not to Europeans outside of Germany.

But well, I suppose we agree to disagree on this matter :-D

I just wanted to use this example to make Genesi sensitive for the matters related with being an international company with markets in culturally different countries.

Actually, one of the primary reasons why the "super hero"-theme had been chosen, was that it is well-suited for international markets due to the immense popularity of comics such as Superman across the world.


@ takemehomegrandma

Are those printed CD boxes in the background, or what is it?

Exactly.


@ magnetic

Plus, its sort of tongue in cheek.

Thanks. I am glad you noticed :-)


@ realstar & Velcro

Well, I think it's quite a funny idea that grabs your attention right away.

and

At least however, it is "different" and "memorable!"

Thank you, guys. That was the goal :-)

[Iggy_Drougge]

Senex, welcome to the gay nineties. Because this Mr. Superbundle is not so much nazi as he is homosexual. ;-)

I like him, a lot. He should be put up on that "Amigay" page of a few years ago.

[Senex]

André, certainly it's not the majority of Germans who could have a problem with stuff like this. But rather a vocal minority. Anyway, as I said I mainly wanted to make your company sensitive for matters like this one, not less, not more.

Furthermore it may be true that I'm more sensitive to this topic than our average countrymen, based on my own political positions from the liberal-conservative part of the spectrum - but if this is because of a kind of "persecution complex" or rather because of being more familar therefore with the situation in our country regarding political correctness and the "Kampf gegen Rechts", remains a question...

[ikir]

My word, doesn't Bill Buck look stunning in blue spandex!  

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:

[Andre.Siegel]

@ Senex

Furthermore it may be true that I'm more sensitive to this topic than our average countrymen, based on my own political positions from the liberal-conservative part of the spectrum - but if this is because of a kind of "persecution complex" or rather because of being more familar therefore with the situation in our country regarding political correctness and the "Kampf gegen Rechts", remains a question...

When thinking about it for a while, you should notice that the Nazi cult's most fundamental element is narrow-mindness regarding people (skin colour), political views, art, music - just about everything.

Bearing this in mind. the opposite of Nazism would be open-mindness about the world as whole. By censoring art or literature based on the fact that they were popular in Germany during the 30s/40s and maybe even liked by dubious historical figures, you are probably more close to the spirit of extreme nationalism than you would ever want to be.

Rigid (self-)censorship has little to do with anti-nazism. Does it make Beethoven's music less of a masterpiece because Goebbels might have liked it? I don't think so. And everyone who does, should maybe rethink his personal values.

[Ants]

For those that don't like the artwork- just remember the pic on Phoenix is rather underexposed- it's actually a bright baby blue.

There is no way it could be seen as Nazi-esque, camp maybe, but not Nazi lol! It's also more obvious that it's  tongue-in-cheek as well. :-)

[magnetic]

Thats what ppl are missing ants - it is "tongue in cheek" for sure! And to Iggy - it does look very gay - but most Super Heroes look gay dont they? And yes, it looks Germanic and Olympiad like. Also retro 30/40s German art that does co incide with nazi propaganda art.. but that was the times... in no way does this feel nazi at all. I love the cover art and think its fun and not taking itself seriously. Genesi should be commended on it.
magnetic

[CodeSmith]

Actually, the first thing that came to mind was the old Pet Shop Boys video for their song "Go West".  The corny 1930s imagery was very similar, and it sort-of fits with Genesi's "Pegasos goes West" theme.

Hey Bill, was it intentional, or weird synchronicity?  :-D

[Damion]

>Does it make Beethoven's music less of a
>masterpiece because Goebbels might have liked
>it?

To stretch this point even further, is the
brilliance of 'Parsifal' tarnished by
Wagner's apparent anti-semitism? Of course not.

Personally, I think the important considerations
are of the the (perhaps subjective) 'Fundament'
behind the work, and not necessarily the work
itself (Hitler also ate food - should we starve
ourselves becasue food can be assosiated with nazism?..etc).