Mai chipset highlighted in IBM PowerPc News

[Dikkelul]

I think that the most interesting part is : Teron PX is populated with the Articia S chipset. Follow-on Teron evaluation systems will be available soon after the Articia Sa, and Articia P chipsets become available in the second half of 2003.

So, unless Mai goes bust, there's life after AmigaONE XE.  :-)

[HyperionMP]

You might want to reconsider that.

The reason we went public with that is because one "dual entity" was sending out e-mails to all and sundry about this problem and how they had a handle on it but ofcourse Mai and Eyetech didn't.

That's the reason why Alan went public with it.

We were getting bombarded by concerned e-mails from e-mail who just received a friendly e-mail from the dual entity in question.

[Leo42]

About the Articia bugs: check the "Miscelleanous" row of the Articia "S"
column: "DMA" is missing... (while it is mentionned for the other versions of the Articia...)

Hum hum...

Leo.

[Kronos]

@Dikkelul

Sure, but when ?
It says "Engineering samples Q3 2003" (and I'm sure it once even said
"Engineering samples Q3 2002"), but how long to create an eval-board,
to debug board and chip, make it ready for "mass-production" ?

[Dikkelul]

You don't create an eval board to debug the chip, you only create one to let others play around with your chip before they use it in your own design, or while awaiting the fabrication of your own design.

Deadlines are made by (project) managers, not by technicians. If I was designing a chip, I would announce it when the developement starts, and write a publication in a newsletter when all major bugs are resolved and i'm fairly sure that i'm able to deliver at this date. You so can count on it that at least the Sa will be available in Q3 2003.

And then it's not hard to modify the Teron PX for the Articia Sa. It's probably done already to test the internal version.

[DaveP]

Wow 25$ buys you 10,000 ;-)

[Kurt]

[AmiGR]

Ehm, sorry, not many chips have, what you call, true
AGP support... AGP is usually emulated with adding
a few features to a normal PCI bus, even on the PC.
No, the ArticiaS doesn't have "true AGP" (almost) only
Intel northbridges have that. VIA emulates it.

And BTW, the ArticiaS does *NOT* support PCIX.
It has a 32bit 33mhz PCI bus and a 32bit 66mhz/AGP
bus.
The ArticiaP WILL support it, as the Discovery II does,
right now.

[DaveP]

@Kurt

I don't see why you have to get so angry, but never mind.

PhaseV put themselves out of business by ( according to recieved wisdom ):

1. Not meeting demand with supply, instead waited for sufficient orders before fulfilling any. Lots of people walked away rather than wait.

2. Selling the cards at a loss.

3. Insufficient software developers ( partly because of the "war" you refer to ) developed for the cards.

Of course some people see this as an opportunity to fight the battles that they lost long ago again but its up to you if you want to take advantage of their output or not.

There are troublemakers but everyone knows them by now and I suspect has learned to temper what they read with a knowledge of the writers past.

[Fot]

Is there any reason why IBM doesn't create their own chipsets for PowerPC processors? I mean, they have stated that the 970 will be used in workstations and servers, so who's chipsets will they use for these?

[Warface]

I hear people parrot absolute nonsense that they heard from you guy's.

Thank god we don't hear other people parrot the nonsense and FUD you spread Kurt... Like MorphOS will be seized by US Custom as it is illegal... And you have a long history of comments like that here at amiga.org.

Thank you for your comment, it has the usual level of real content and your own makeups.

[greenboy]

Kurt,

Do you work for Mr Hardware or are you a partner? {practically sounds like a Do You Still Beat Your Wife question, I know ; }

[downix]

@Fot

IBM does make it's own northbridge.  And, like Mai and Marvell, it also does not support true AGP.  It also is quite overpriced, at over $70 a chip.

[Kurt]

@greenboy

No, I am currenty doing design work for a Major Electronics firm. That designs surveillance equipment for the local and goverment Law enforcement agencies. My equipment is used by all the TLA's in the States. I recently got hired to build a bunch of stuff for the New Scotland Yard. I mostly do RF design with small amounts of video. My only computer design work is in the way of small imbedded systems.


I know Russ from Mr. hardware because he is the last Major Amiga dealer in N.Y. The only other Major Amiga dealers in the United States are Joe from Software Hut PA (150 miles away) and Randir from Compuquick. Joe lately has pulled back from the Amiga scene and is somewhat unreliable in giving correct information. IE has sold me stuff in the past that really didn't work well with the Amiga.

Randir is good but is based in the Midwest some 1500 miles from where I live.

Russ on the other hand is a mere seventy miles away. He also visits the local Amiga clubs with stuff to sell and demo.  

So if I recomend him alot is because I buy from him and I have a good idea what he has to offer from talking to him at the local Amiga meetings.
I see him on average about twice a month.

Boy was that a long explaination.

Why do you ask ?

Kurt

and for you people with the AGP disinformation
AGP is a port. PCI is a BUS not the same thing.
AGP is ALWAYS supported with a high speed direct connect via the North bridge. IT always WARHAMMER has it's own connection directly to the north bridge. Your information on AGP is partly true.
Not all of the chips have AGP "Hardwired" IE all you add is a connector. But support must be there for it to be implemented properly. Otherwise latency errors will kill performance.
 
Actualy other than pure marketing reasons there would be little or no reason for Genesi to even try to shoehorn AGP2X onto a PCI BUS when for most purposes they would get little if any performance benefits from it. Look at any PC sites that compared PCI versus AGP2x. If you have sufficient Memory on your graphics card so it doesn't have to use system memory there is no real performance boost. So unless a Pegasos developer specificaly wrote the game code with AGP in mind would there be a performance problem.  Besides even if tommorrow Marvell came out with a 8X AGP chip. No way would you get any performace boost using an 8x radeon card over an 4X radeon because the main limitation would be the 800mhz G4 not being capable of saturating a 4x port. So most of these discussions are pointless. Also Genesi have not even mentioned AGP for the PEGII as far as I know. This AGP conversation for the most part is pure speculation.  

Besides Unless BB can get someone to port Half Life2 or Unreal2 to Morph whats the point.
You don't need AGP to run Quake or Doom the textures are way to small.

I am falling asleep at the keyboard
Goodnight all

[downix]

@kurt

you're using semantics here to try and spread misinformation, attempting to give FUD off.

So, to repeat myself slowly, so you can understand...
AGP
is
a
port
off
of
a
PCI
bus!

On top of the normal PCI bus, AGP also adds functions, such as sideband, memory polling, extra modes.  However, the PCI bus is still there, ready to be used.  More than 1 motherboard has just wired a PCI bus right up to the AGP port, and let it stay that way.  In many cases, people just don't know the difference.  Their AGP cards work, so they never bother checking with how the drivers run the bus that pushes the data to that AGP port.

[Kurt]