Amiga Auction List Posted

[bloodline]

Ok. I'm not dismissing your verison of the events. I have accepted this.
But I would still argue that without AROS, there was no reson to even view the x86 as a market. PPC was final, Phase5 had decided.

I personally didn't even think aobut the x86 as a viable option until I went to university and tried AROS. I was still under the impression that my PPC card was by far the more suitable system for the Amiga platform.

But I tried AROS on just a cheap PC and thought wow... that is superior my Amiga.... and thus my cards have been played. this was 5 years ago...

[System]

@Hmetal

I'm wrong about what Ray?  

--  Amiga Inc hasn't lied to and abused the community for years?
--  Amiga isn't being evicted and foreclosed?
--  Amiga actually paid their employees and didn't terminate their insurance without notice?
--  Amiga Inc DIDN'T formally file the paperwork through their lawyer to ABANDON the Amiga trademark presumably so that it couldn't be seized by the court as an asset to sell and pay Bolton and others?  
--  Amiga DE is actually related to the Amiga?
-- Amiga isn't going to make more meaningless partnership announcements?

Please Ray, feel free to let me know exactly what it is that you think that WE are so wrong about and that you know everything about....  All I ask is that you let us know without all the marketspeak and "Fleecyisms".

[System]

Why on earth would you want to sign 8 NDAs and SDAs with Amiga?

Because every single time I attended a show, or contacted them about something, they had me sign yet another one, claiming that I had not yet signed one.

Don't need to sign anything else, as I trust that Amiga will keep their side of the deal

Therein lies the basic difference.  You "trust" them as you personally have no reason to think otherwise (yet).  Those of us who do not "trust" him or "Fleecy", have in most cases very much earned our position of now-complete distrust.

-- They aren't paying their employees, Ray and "Fleecy" have constantly twisted that fact.
-- They terminated the medical insurance of employees without even telling them about it.
--  They intentionally petitioned to abandon the trademark (the abandonment paperwork was physically filed by their lawyer).  Presumably, they did this to keep it from being seized by the courts as an asset.
--  They were evicted almost A YEAR AGO and continually lied about it.  They continue to twist the undeniable facts even today.
-- Their credit rating is far less than even my personal limit, and my personal limit isn't perfect.  This means that no real company would invest money in Amiga Inc unless they buy something (not license it).
--  All of their hardware assets have been seized by the landlord for over a year aside from the "laptops" they apparently took home with them.  No real work has been done (at least demonstrably) on anything.
-- Their "CTO" doesn't even know enough to answer simple, straight-forward answers regarding their license of the trademarks and patents.
--  Amiga Inc has completely changed directions at least three times in three years.
--  Almost every single partner they've announced has either denounced Amiga Inc later, or abandoned their efforts in AI's direction.  This says something major.
--  They based their entire business plan on USING the then-existing base of Amiga developers to develop software for TAO's Intent.  Their entire existence before the most recent complete direction change was to be a middle man shareware distributor.
--  Bill McEwen stood on the Podium at Saint Louis in 2000 and declared both the "Amiga as a desktop platform and as an OS is dead".  It is only the fact that they are broke now that they have reversed that decision.  Luckily Amiga Inc has nothing to do with either OS4 or the AmigaOne outside of "the name".
--  Absolutely nothing has been officially heard from Amiga Inc (Bill "benevolent dictator" McEwen) in almost a whole year.

Should I go on?  How much more will it take to convince some of you that Amiga Inc *IS* the problem.  I am convinced that the only way the official Amiga platform will survive is to stay as far away as possible from the likes of McEwen and "Fleecy".

[meerschaum]

I agree with Wayne... when I first got back into Amiga almost 3 years ago I was interested in a new AmigaOS and a new X86 or PowerPC platform.... I watched the effort go to absolute hell (in my opinon) as a game porting  company was to make it (sorry Hyperion I hope you do a good job, but in my most humble opinon game companys should make games not OS's)
then I saw the over-priced amigaone (I think its over priced even for this niche)...
next I saw 'the rom'.....
then of course I saw DE....and figured that they where just trying to milk us like sheep...


out of all that a nice alternative to bieng waffled came in... Genesi, Pegasos and MorphOS ... its cheaper, the developers are contactable, the ceo is open enough to post in the forums... there is no 'rom'... the OS was made by this very community... and I cant see how that is bad...but moreover it was made by OS developers not game developers... the company overall seems to have future plans..and hasnt tried to 'milk' us all like a bunch of sheep...

in my opinon...if Amiga.inc hadnt been greedy with the 'rom' the higher prices for amigaone, DE(milkware) and generally not waffled around so much back and fourth... we could all have a product now and be happy working toward common goals... I blame amiga.inc squarely for the devide and issues this community has right now... some blame Genesi...well the way I look at it without Genesi alot of people would have left entirely...because amigaos4 isnt done yet, amigaone is very expensive...and DE is a joke

[asian1]

>Bill McEwen, Millionaire & IPO.

On Summer 2000, Mr Bill McEwen had announced about possibilities of Amiga Inc IPO. I try to ask the CFO to send information to a leading financial group who is the underwriter of major IPOs, including Apple Inc.

Unfortunately the CFO left Amiga in Sept. 2000.
If the IPO went ahead, perhaps Mr Bill McEwen will become a REAL millionaire and Amiga Inc's financial future will be better.

[redrumloa]

@asian1

Yeah there would be more foosball tables up for auction :lol:

I'm sorry, can't help myself :roflmao:

[z5]

I watched the effort go to absolute hell (in my opinon) as a game porting company was to make it (sorry Hyperion I hope you do a good job, but in my most humble opinon game companys should make games not OS's)

So, i gather you have tried OS4 then? No? So where's the absolute hell then? Yeah, let's bash them before trying what they have done, that is actually more fun, it does not take effort and everyone can do it.

the developers are contactable

Both main OS4 developers are really contactable. But then again, it depends on how you ask the question. If you say: hey guys i think you suck and you should never have started OS4 because you are a games company, then maybe they will not answer, and damn right they don't.

the OS was made by this very community...

So what you are actually saying is that amongst the 30 or so ppl working on OS4, nobody comes from the Amiga community. Sure, they probably all come from pc companies, linux companies or maybe companies making refridgerators, cars,... Good point there

the company overall seems to have future plans..

So you are saying that Hyperion and the OS4 team don't. And may i ask how you know (probably because of direct contact with the developers, right?)

and hasnt tried to 'milk' us all like a bunch of sheep...

Well, i personally haven't paid a single penny for anything OS4 related. So i don't feel 'milked' like a bunch of sheep. And please don't mention that the coupon action had nothing to do with both Eyetech or Hyperion (in fact they were opposed to it). After all, we want to troll, not tell the truth. So in reality, neither eyetech or Hyerpion have asked for a single penny.

amigaos4 isnt done yet,

It is in beta, so is morphos. No secret about that.

I could go on replying to every single other topic you mentioned, but then i thought: why did i even started.

[Terminills]

@meerschaum

  imo I prefer game companies porting the OS.   Games make the platform.  Who better to make a game friendly OS then a game company.  

  Like it or not if it's not easy to create games we will see no major ports or originals.  

  Office suites ~shrug~ big deal they are only a small market when it comes to the big picture.  
  If games weren't such a big market you wouldn't see microsoft hopping in like they did.  Seriously what's it tell you they didn't even use thier standard kernel for the XBox it's modified.  :-D

[z5]

I blame amiga.inc squarely for the devide and issues this community has right now...

Genesi is not to blame, not even AmigaInc, Hyperion,...

People like yourself are to blame for the devide in the community.

[olegil]

Yeah. Being wrong at this time would actually be a refreshing bit of change, wouldn't it? Come on, people. Doesn't everyone want to be proven wrong just about now? :-P

[olegil]

@Terminills:

And they've modified their ultra-stable NT system so that games will run better, resulting in a less stable environment. That's a pretty big deal, actually. Especially for a company that makes software targetting office use... :-)

[Terminills]

@olegil

I never claimed it was better over all... Just for games.   and the entire point is they wouldn't have bothered had there not been a market for it.   Just like the fact they lose money on the XBox's.  They do it so they can sell more games.  In the end microsoft doesn't target any 1 product anyways.  :-D

[olegil]

@bhogget:
"I'm with you on this one. The ridiculous story by "fleecy" that this is equipment brought in by the auctioneers and is being fraudulently passed off as having belonged to Amiga Inc. (presumably for no other reason than to spread more "FUD" about the company) is so laughable it isn't true."

Might I point you to a quote from the auction site?
" Some items on the main equipment list have been included in the sale from other parties. "

I just can't quite imagine why Amiga Inc would put 35 chairs, computers and 17/21 inch monitors in a 15 (6-8 times 2 cubicles plus 3 offices) people environment. The FACT is that SOME items in the list are NOT from Amiga Inc's office, there's no conspiracy theory about it (other than that "oooh, they had SO much equipment? no wonder they didn't have money".)

Please, _READ_ the links before making up your facts next time, please.

[bhoggett]

@olegil

Read links before making up the facts? Surely not.

I mean, you do realise that this whole auction is just one large FUD exercise, don't you? Amiga Inc didn't owe any money at all. The landlord only threw them out and locked the office because he was bribed to do so by Genesi.

Mike Bouma said so, and therefore it must be true. :-o

[Waccoon]

I just can't quite imagine why Amiga Inc would put 35 chairs, computers and 17/21 inch monitors in a 15 (6-8 times 2 cubicles plus 3 offices) people environment. The FACT is that SOME items in the list are NOT from Amiga Inc's office, there's no conspiracy theory about it (other than that "oooh, they had SO much equipment? no wonder they didn't have money".)

You completely misread the quote from the auction site.  The full quote is:

The following items were identified by Amiga employees as being vendor owned and wereonly used as "loaners". Some items on the main equipment list have been included in the sale from other parties.

So, the reason they clarify that these items are from 3rd parties is because they were loaned to Amiga, and had to be returned.  The auction site says NOTHING about these items NOT being in Amiga's office.  Please read the links before making up facts?  Good advice!!!

I don't follow this stuff religiously, but I do recall that they used to be in bigger offices, and then moved into smaller offices later on (about the time their phone numbers were disconnected and all that).  My guess is that they just had the stuff piled up in the corner.  It's not like they had enough staff to use it all.   :-)

The amount of furniture matches the amount of computers.  That says a lot.  There's 30-or-so comptuers up for auction, and some servers.  Amiga claimed to have 30-or-so employees at one time.  Big whoop.

The auction includes a refrigerator.  Since when does a fridge become obsolete?

Seriously, I wouldn't bother to verify what's exactly part of the auction.  This is already rediculous as it is.  All I know is, there's an auction going on, it's happening because Amiga Inc. is in default of rent payment, and Amiga is trying to keep quiet about it.  That tells me they are in deep doo-doo.  Is this *really* worth debating?

Please, how about debating that lovely interview with Matt about GUI design?  GUI's are my forte, and I'd like to talk about that some more.  Let this topic die!

[Tigger]

I don't follow this stuff religiously, but I do recall that they used to be in bigger offices, and then moved into smaller offices later on (about the time their phone numbers were disconnected and all that). My guess is that they just had the stuff piled up in the corner. It's not like they had enough staff to use it all.

Just to make this perfectly clear, the auction was held at the offices they told us all about in March 2000, the 10000 sq foot office space they leased.  The claim of a move to smaller offices was all make believe after it was pointed out that that they no longer were working at 34935 SE Douglas St, Suite 210.  In actuality, in June of 2002 they were locked out by their landlord, their phones were turned off for lack of payment and since early June all "work" by Amiga Inc has been done at the homes of those still working for them.  Working being a relative term since they are not being paid, technically most would call them volunteers.
     -Tig