Amiga Auction List Posted

[HMetal]

It was NOT you (as you are prone to take credit for things which do not pertain to you) who got them to clarify things.... At least not according to them, and as I said, unlike you, they have no reason to lie.

Hogwash.  I have an email sitting here (that I will not reveal without checking first with Fleecy) from the auctioneer expressing their apologies for the miscommunication and of their willingness to clarify the things that were added to the auction that did not belong to Amiga.

I don't know where you get your assumptions, but in this case, I have proof that you are wrong.

[System]

I don't know where you get your assumptions, but in this case, I have proof that you are wrong.

You have proof of nothing except that they apologized to Amiga Inc for the screw up.  According to them on the telephone, you were by far the least of their issues.

You made one of several dozen requests.  They simply responded to yours (I never sent them an e-mail request, so I don't know if they would have similarly responded to me or others.  I did call the auction house when you made the claim however)...

You really, really need to learn when to shut up and pick your battles.  You are doing a great disservice to your "employer" every time you open your mouth to defend them.  As a tenuous friend, I hope that doesn't come back and bite you in the ass personally.

[ghauber]

@Wayne,

Why on earth would you want to sign 8 NDAs and SDAs with Amiga?  That is just plain weird.  I've signed only one NDA, and only one SDA, and I'm happy.  Don't need to sign anything else, as I trust that Amiga will keep their side of the deal, and I certainly don't intend on breaking my side of the deal.

So.... Tell me all these deep and dark secrets about how Amiga Inc is going to save the universe and how anyone who doesn't agree with them are "immature teenagers" (Paraphrase "Fleecy")....

Who says there are any such secrets? Amiga is obviously not in stirling shape at the moment, and even they have acknowledged that they will not become some sort of overnight sensation/phenomenon that will solve all your problems at once.  If that's what you are thinking they are promoting, you've taken leave of reality.  It's going to be a long, uphill climb, but, assuming Amiga manages to reach the top of the climb (and there's never any guarantee) I think the view from there will be pretty good.

This conversation gets more and more rediculous by the minute. Those who BELIEVE that they have something to gain by following Amiga Inc are simply not willing at all to listen to even DOCUMENTED and or DEMONSTRATABLE FACTS.

There is a proverb in the Bible: "The first to present his case seems right, until someone comes forth to question him" (or something to that effect).  Even though various Amiga Inc employees have replied in various forms, Amiga has not formally responded and thus the whole argument so far is rather one-sided.  I'm interested to see Amiga's formal response when/if it happens.

I'd just love to hear what Bill and "Fleecy" are saying about me behind these closed doors....

Oh, yes, Bill and Fleecy just can't stop posting stuff about you on all those uber-secret lists full of Amiga Inc cheerleaders.  Talk about you all the time.  NOT.

If Bill and Fleecy are talking lots about you behind their closed doors, that's ok, they're allowed to do whatever they want in that regard.  It's only when they start talking "publically" (on the SDA list or on more public forums like this) that it really matters to you.  But, I guess, me telling you that you are not a hot topic of discussion on the various NDA-covered lists might deflate your ego a bit, so please go right on and ignore me if it makes you feel better to believe such things.

[meerschaum]

HMetal are you trying to twist things yet again? that email wouldnt refer to the PDA"s and other things that didnt actually 'belong' to amiga.inc but where loaner items?... my guess it does...and you're just trying to twist things again... just my opinon..

[dammy]

Poster: Wayne Date: 2003/6/16 18:23:28

I mention this specifically to request that site members (of any site reading this), please lay off of the auction company. They are not responsible for the current condition of Amiga Inc and they're only doing their jobs as auctioneers. They have no agenda, and this is not their fault.

 Interesting to see those miserable little wanking Amiga Inc supporters are just as pathetic on the phone as they are behind a keyboard.  

I wonder how long it's going to be before the first pics of Amiga Inc hardware being sold off to the highest bidder, hits the net.    I know, I need to be kind.  So how about those who have won your bids in for the Amiga Inc auction please save the shipping cardboard.  McEwen maybe needing it as his new house. :->

Dammy

[olegil]

If Amithlon was an attempt at displacing AROS, are you saying AROS is a commercial product? I thought it was being made FOR FUN, god damnit!

 :-P

[olegil]

@bhogget:
I agree with your timeline, but a totally different one is being presented as "facts" by certain people over at ANN.

Maybe stop by there and tell Alkis how it should be? ;-)

[bhoggett]

@olegil

Maybe stop by there and tell Alkis how it should be?

I'd be wasting my breath (or my typing, as it were).

Some people, even when they don't agree with me, are prepared to listen to a reasoned argument. Others quite simply are not.

Of course, I stand to be corrected on anything I wrote in that timeline. It's simply a representation of how I remember things, but I certainly wasn't anywhere near being "in the loop" until at the very end when the Amithlon situation I described happened.

[bloodline]

If Amithlon was an attempt at displacing AROS, are you saying AROS is a commercial product? I thought it was being made FOR FUN, god damnit!

Sure, but Amiga Inc. might have seen that AROS was targeting a Market that they felt they should be making money from.

AROS of course has no commecial incentive, it is simply there because there is demand for it.

[bhoggett]

@bloodline

Sure, but Amiga Inc. might have seen that AROS was targeting a Market that they felt they should be making money from.

Some people at Amiga Inc. thought the x86 market should be tapped, others were opposed to the idea.

This has absolutely nothing to do with AROS or Amithlon, or the reason why the latter came into being.

Amithlon negotiations with H&P were going nowhere, so a copy was sent to Amiga Inc. They liked what they saw and wanted to market it straight away, to the extent that they were desperate to demo it at AmiWest only a few days later. Hyperion and Eyetech didn't even know anything about it as there was no time to inform them (and indeed it should have been none of their business anyway). There was no premeditation to any of this, and certainly no plans instigated by anyone at Amiga Inc.

Amithlon was NOT a response to AROS.There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Amiga Inc ever saw AROS as encroaching into a market they should be tapping. None. Why do you persist in suggesting otherwise?

[bloodline]

Amithlon was NOT a response to AROS.There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Amiga Inc ever saw AROS as encroaching into a market they should be tapping. None. Why do you persist in suggesting otherwise?

I'm not say that it !WAS! a response to AROS, but I am saying that it might have been.

You are saying the it wasn't, Fine. (you are stating this as fact)
I'm saying it might. End of story. (I am stating this as my oppinion.)

You are welcome to continue telling me that it wasn't and I will have be happy to say that it might have been  :-D

I'm the meantime we are wasting valuble Debating Bandwidth.

I would say argue that without AROS, there was no reson to even view the x86 as a market. PPC was final, Phase5 had decided.  :-D

[HMetal]

@Wayne

You have never been more wrong.  You'll find that out soon enough.

[redrumloa]

You have never been more wrong. You'll find that out soon enough.

With all due respect (if it's really waranted), that has been Amiga Inc's line for how long now? At LEAST 2 years now.

AI:"Just wait, i can't say anything but you will see soon enough!"

In that time all I have seen is 2 WinCE game packs that are getting dusty on CompUSA's shelves. As the saying goes, put up or shut up(just a saying) :-o

[bloodline]

You have never been more wrong. You'll find that out soon enough.

If Amiga Inc. have something amazing up their sleve, then I'm looking forward to being wrong.

[bhoggett]

@bloodline

You are saying the it wasn't, Fine. (you are stating this as fact)

I am stating it as fact, yes.  Like I said, as far as Amithlon is concerned I was in the loop. I know when it came about, roughly how it came about, who was and who was not involved in bringing it about, and when Amiga Inc got involved. I am indeed stating facts, not opinions. If you have any reason to doubt this, please enlighten the rest of us.

I'm saying it might. End of story. (I am stating this as my oppinion.)

Well, it's an opinion which flies in the face of the facts, so insisting that the opinion is valid can mean only one of two things:

1 - You do not accept my presentation of the facts, presumably because you have evidence to suggest otherwise.

or

2 - Your opinions defy all connection to reality, and you are planning to join Tim Rue and Steve Giovennella in their particularly unique universes.

Are we wasting bandwidth? That depends. Your repeatedly stated "opinion" has the potential to be a rumour starter, and since I know such a rumour would be blatantly false, combating it at the root seems the most efficient way to tackle it.

[bloodline]

Ok. I'm not dismissing your verison of the events. I have accepted this.
But I would still argue that without AROS, there was no reson to even view the x86 as a market. PPC was final, Phase5 had decided.

I personally didn't even think aobut the x86 as a viable option until I went to university and tried AROS. I was still under the impression that my PPC card was by far the more suitable system for the Amiga platform.

But I tried AROS on just a cheap PC and thought wow... that is superior my Amiga.... and thus my cards have been played. this was 5 years ago...