Amiga Auction List Posted

[System]

It should be pointed out that while the auction company yielded to apparently "dozens" of complaints from the members of this web site by saying "Amiga Inc is not going out of business", a quick call to their offices further yielded that "we are only the auctioneer responsible for the auction of their foreclosed business assets, we have no real information as to their actual business status.".  

The person I spoke with also continued "Please ask that the members of your site refrain from calling us repeatedly every few minutes when we add something to the auction".

Quite clearly, they've had enough of dealing with the Amiga community whereas this eviction and property seizure is concerned.   I can't say I blame them as from what I gather, some of the calls were less than friendly.

I mention this specifically to request that site members (of any site reading this), please lay off of the auction company.  They are not responsible for the current condition of Amiga Inc and they're only doing their jobs as auctioneers.  They have no agenda, and this is not their fault.

[uncharted]

Dont get me wrong, I still log on here every day, looking for the latest signs of life in the AmigaOS (be that OS4 screenshots, AmiZilla news, or whatever else), but its just not the same anymore. People keep on debating the same old crap over and over again.

I know how you feel mate, but there are times the community shines through (like the open amiga thread).

Whilst I doubt things will go back to the way they were, I do think there can still be a good future.  There are still places like #amiga.org and some mailing lists where you can talk amiga without a full blown arguement erupting.  The web forums tend to be more confrontational for some reason, possibly because people hide behind avatars and also conversations are broken and easily misinterpreted.

[System]

As for the update that I just submitted as a new news item (that somehow got turned into a little note tacked onto the head post of this topic - funny and sad how that happens)

Why is it funny or sad?  What benefit would having a SECOND STORY linking to the SAME SITE for your humilating auction be?  I've posted your text, I've also spoken to them personally and gotten a very interesting response....

It was NOT you (as you are prone to take credit for things which do not pertain to you) who got them to clarify things....  At least not according to them, and as I said, unlike you, they have no reason to lie.

[AmiGR]

I hope you didn't format it with Windows or DOS.
After *3* such format, I was still able to recover
some stuff not overwritten, even if it was a "full"
format. Norton's wipe does the job though.

[KennyR]

Actually I have nothing to add but I wanted to be on this big pointless thread before it gets closed. ;-)

I see a lot of blantant malice towards AInc, and a lot of blatant apologists for AInc. Can I just remind every one that the demise of Amiga Incorporated would not damage OS4 in any way, it may mean you could run OS4 on cheaper hardware, and it would not damage the community in any way, apart from inflicting humiliating PR damage from having yet another Amiga-owning company go belly up. In fact, for most of us, the demise of AInc would liberate the Amiga.

[JoannaK]

Personally (during last 2 -3 years) I have come to conclusion that less AmigaInc messes with OS4 or AmigaOne the better.  And looks like things are movin in right driection.

[meerschaum]

why are people so psychotic, zealous and immature as to call up a legit auction company and nag them about amiga.inc's pathetic situation?... why dont you call amiga.inc and ask them about it? after all ... the auction company didnt screw up amiga.inc... amiga.inc screwed up amiga.inc ... and if you contest that then you might also believe the easter bunny is stealing carrots your garden..

[ruben]

KennyR,

the demise of AInc would liberate the Amiga

How, exactly?

[ghauber]

@Wayne,

I'm sorry. "You can't know the truth because you're not on some restricted list" is a bullshit excuse. Having to create secretive restrictive lists just to promote your own propoganda and call it truth is bullshit.

LOL, you think that's what the SDA list is about? Promoting Amiga Inc propaganda? Man, that's funny!  It's a *support* list for those who have signed the SDA! Yeah, we get some "insider" information as a result, but that's because of the nature of our agreement with Amiga Inc, not because Amiga is trying to brainwash us!

Besides, Onno wasn't saying "You cannot know the truth because you are not on some restricted list", what he *was* saying as that, on the SDA list, we have seen *first hand* evidence of some sort of anti Amiga Inc conspiracy.  Make of that what you will, but my comment stands.

I can tell you that there are an awful lot of things being said on those lists which are simply not true, and they don't even match the demonstratable facts....

How can you know what is/is not being said on the SDA list? Are you on that list?  If not, how can you make such a statement that things being said there "are simply not true"? Or, are you party to someone breaking NDA and forwarding to you info that they have no right to pass on?  Please tell us more about your source of knowledge regarding the "lies" that Amiga is telling us on that *private* list.

Amiga Inc cannot say "The Amiga community is very important to us" then immediately turn and say "we will not tell you anything unless you're on our uber-secret list of cheerleader friends because it's none of your business". It just doesn't work that way.

Actually, by setting up the SDA list, Amiga has said (at least to those of us who are willing to seriously develop for the DE) that we *are* very important to them, and they are supporting us as much as they possibly can.  Again, let me repeat, the SDA list is not about being an "uber-secret list of cheerleader friends", but about developers, in partnership with Amiga, developing products, being supported by Amiga, and having their products distributed by Amiga.

[redfox]

:-o .... um .... :-?

.... does this mean I might not get my T-shirt?

Oh, ... maybe I could bid on it!

------------
redfox ... ;-)

[MarkTime]

@ghauber

dude,  buy a clue.

[KennyR]

the demise of AInc would liberate the Amiga

How, exactly?

Look around.

[Waccoon]

Wayne:  I'm sorry. "You can't know the truth because you're not on some restricted list" is a bullshit excuse. Having to create secretive restrictive lists just to promote your own propoganda and call it truth is bullshit.

THAT is my biggest problem with Amiga Inc.

Anyone notice that the NDA on www.amigadev.net is dated to 2001?  How are you supposed to apply for dev status if they can't even keep their legal documents up to date?  Or are NDA's part of the secret list, too?

[System]

@Waccoon,

For the record, to date, I have signed no less than 8 (*YES, EIGHT*) NDA's and SDA's with Amiga Inc, none of which are actually legally binding.  None were signed by Bill McEwen in my presence, and none of them were ever notorized in my presence.  No validated copies were ever returned to me.

Hell, Anyone in attendance can verify that Bill McEwen was handing them out to everyone at the one of the last Saint Louis shows for God's sake to anyone and everyone who walked by in the hall.

Furthermore, if I can find the box, I've probably got a whole pile of blank ones that were left on the table in the hall after "Fleecy's" 2.5 hour techno-babble-fest about the "conceptual freedom behind DE".  If I can find my big folder of these oh-so-important and valuable NDA's, who wants one?  Maybe then, when the whole community has signed multiple NDA's and SDA's, Amiga will be honest.  I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.

Then there were several other times I had made proposals to Amiga Inc for community projects, all of which were torpedoed. There were at least two occassions that I contacted them for developer information and once when I received my SDK.

So....  Tell me all these deep and dark secrets about how Amiga Inc is going to save the universe and how anyone who doesn't agree with them are "immature teenagers" (Paraphrase "Fleecy")....

This conversation gets more and more rediculous by the minute.  Those who BELIEVE that they have something to gain by following Amiga Inc are simply  not willing at all to listen to even DOCUMENTED and or DEMONSTRATABLE FACTS.

I'd just love to hear what Bill and "Fleecy" are saying about me behind these closed doors....  God only knows what bullshit, or I should say "BillShit" they've concocted since I abandoned the role of head cheerleader to Luca and Mike.

At least when I express my opinion of "Fleecy" and company, I do it in plain daylight.  They don't even have the honor to do things face-to-face.  Oh, yeah, that's right, they lost any portion of honor when they stopped paying employees and cancelled their health insurance without even bothering to tell them.

All I can say is "Good luck" to the bidders at tomorrow's auction.  Enjoy the day at the circus which is what became of Amiga Inc.  Bring cash, take home your very own special bit of the dotcom bust.

[ghauber]

@MarkTime

dude, buy a clue.

Thank you for your insightful, well thought out, informative reply.  I feel like I have a so much clearer picture on the situation now.  You truly have a way with words.

 :-D

[HMetal]

It was NOT you (as you are prone to take credit for things which do not pertain to you) who got them to clarify things.... At least not according to them, and as I said, unlike you, they have no reason to lie.

Hogwash.  I have an email sitting here (that I will not reveal without checking first with Fleecy) from the auctioneer expressing their apologies for the miscommunication and of their willingness to clarify the things that were added to the auction that did not belong to Amiga.

I don't know where you get your assumptions, but in this case, I have proof that you are wrong.