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Offline fleecy

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2003, 12:32:52 PM »
Hey there 8-)

the original auction list was compiled when the landlord let the auctioneers into the building before we had removed what we were entitled to remove, which is all IP, hard drives and any other storage media with IP on it and all the prototypes that we were given by our customers and partners.

Bill and Gordon were there yesterday and removed all of the above. The auctioneers turned up near the end with a truck full of other stuff that they are selling as well and complained that there was just rubbish left. In fact they had already been moving in other stock to sell at the auction, so those who think we had 30 HP Vectras, 10s of 21 inch monitors and the like should think again. Almost all Amiga employees used either laptops or their own personal classic Amigas.

Our entire IT sourcing was done using Gateway because we got a deal for using them negotiated into our purchace of Amiga.

Sorry to disappoint the naysayers, although I'm sure they'll turn this into something that proves we are bust, the Augsburg show is a movie set and the moon is a big balloon that gets towed across the sky every so often.

Enjoy the showing of AmigaOS4, enjoy buying Amiga Pocket Packs manufactured and marketed by Microsoft.  A dead body has never done so much.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2003, 01:11:41 PM »
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http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html:
Amiga Inc is being sold by order of the property management. Some of the equipment listed has been claimed by vendors as of Wednesday, June 11, 2003. The equipment was only on the premises as a "loaner" to Amiga for development reasons. The following items have been removed from the sale:


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Poster: HMetal Date: 2003/6/14 21:51:12

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    I knew Amiga was finished...



I think you'll need to check that crystal ball again soon.


I have no doubts that "Amiga" as so far as Hyperion & co. and the comunity will carry on, but as far as Amiga Inc. goes... what are you telling me - Amiga is being bought (again)? This is just business as usual? :(

I wanted to see Amiga Inc. succeed; I thought the AmigaDE was cool; And I was so close to buying the Amiga SDK to develop a small mathematics packge for PDA (then my monitor blew up which hurt to replace as I'm a not-so-rich full time uni student).

I don't understand, but then again business bores me so I plead ignorance... Your words and the auction description indicate to me that this was not a voluntary, routine auction. That to me seems like either Amiga Inc. is finished or at least extremely cornered. Wont this affect the so-called "credit rating"? Who will do business with them? Who will want to work for them or rely on them/trust them?

Clearly I've missed something and this situtation is obvious to everyone else. I'll just go back to hacking whatever I'm working on. Perhaps I should do some study. Maybe I'll watch some TV.

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2003, 02:54:13 PM »
Is it legal for the auctioneer to imply that someone who does not own—or have in custody—the corporate entity of Amiga, Inc. is selling that corporate entity? How can we contact the auctioneer to urge them to change the wording to more accurately reflect reality?
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2003, 04:00:39 PM »
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Enjoy the showing of AmigaOS4, enjoy buying Amiga Pocket Packs manufactured and marketed by Microsoft


Please Fleecy, stop taking credit for things you have nothing to do with. At least have some respect for the ppl who have done it for you.

OS4 -> Hyperion (luckily)
Games in Pocketpack -> external developers based on a Tao dev kit.

But i like it that way. Please keep as far away from OS4 as you can. The only thing you have on your record, is a very dubious scheme to collect money.
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2003, 06:02:10 PM »
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Is it legal for the auctioneer to imply that someone who does not own—or have in custody—the corporate entity of Amiga, Inc. is selling that corporate entity? How can we contact the auctioneer to urge them to change the wording to more accurately reflect reality?
@billsey

The auction company is required, by federal disclosure laws, to announce that they are selling the assets of Amiga Inc due to the foreclosure procedings by the landlord.

"Fleecy" and Ray's stories once again don't match reality, or indeed even each other.  Both seem desperate to minimize the fact that the auction is taking place and that their business assets are gone.  We call that "damage control".

I have no doubt that the auctioneer is bringing in additional items for that auction.  That is very common practice with auction houses, but the items shown on that auction page (all 50 computers, all monitors, drives, etcetera) were property of Amiga Inc at one point or another.  They were all seized by the landlord to cover what amounts to a great deal of debt.

Private bankruptcy is no different.  If you have a house and file bankruptcy, the auction company plasters huge "bankruptcy sale" signs all over the newspaper and neighborhood to make sure everyone knows that you are financially irresponsible and not trustworthy with money.  Bankruptcy is intentionally a very humiliating process.

That being said, I am not suggesting that AI has filed bankruptcy (before you willingly read that into my comments).   I am stating for a fact that their business property was foreclosed and, as it is written on the auction site now, this is black and white, and written in stone.

The fact that no one there (with the probable exception of Ray, "Fleecy" and Bill) has been paid in almost 6 months is a very convincing argument that Amiga Inc is "nearly dead", and I cannot feel in my heart that's a bad thing.

They have no offices
They have no trademarks
They have no honor (re: Bolton Peck/Insurance situation)
They have no employees (they have volunteers)
They have zero credit rating to attract investors or partners.

Furthermore,
DE?  Tao
OS4?  Hyperion
A1?  Eyetech

The "Bill and `Fleecy` travelling circus" showing OS4 on the classic Amiga is irrelevant.  While I applaud the valiant efforts of Hyperion and Eyetech to bring a marketable product to bear despite Amiga Inc's bungling, any company or individual stupid enough to give Amiga Inc money today has my sympathies.

I just wish I'd spent the $175 for the plane ticket two weeks ago so that I could go and roast marshmellows over the rotting corpse that is Amiga Inc at the auction.

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2003, 06:13:51 PM »
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Please Fleecy, stop taking credit for things you have nothing to do with. At least have some respect for the ppl who have done it for you.


Well.. I can only speak as an "external developer based on a Tao dev kit". I think Amiga did a lot of things to bring us the PocketPacks. Our programs are filled with calls to Amiga-API's, our games are running as .ami-packages in an Amiga-Anywhere runtime and they've been put in the stores because of a deal with Microsoft which I myself would not have been able to make. I feel pretty comfortable with Fleecy saying Amiga Inc. is responsible for that, because they _ARE_.

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2003, 06:23:05 PM »
Poster: fleecy Date: 2003/6/14 7:32:52

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... buying Amiga Pocket Packs manufactured and marketed by Microsoft. A dead body has never done so much.


If your not so dead, how about paying off your overdue debts?  If your not so dead, why have you NOT paid the court ordered monies to Peck.  You must remember him, he's one of your former employees you screwed over.  Guess he's too low level for you guys to worry about, huh?  That's what the sucker gets for his devotion and loyality to Amiga Inc., stabbed in the back?  

Why are certain employees being paid by methods designed to circumvent those you owe debts to?   What type of slimey deadbeat would do that to their former employee?  Oh yeah, your in bed with Microsoft, I forgot. Screw the little guy over, it's the Microsoft's way afterall and you've learned it well.   You all make me sick.

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2003, 06:50:34 PM »
@Wayne

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The auction company is required, by federal disclosure laws, to announce that they are selling the assets of Amiga Inc due to the foreclosure procedings by the landlord.


Yes, but I have to agree with Billsey. The way that paragraph is formulated it implies they are selling the whole corporate entity
  • that is Amiga Inc., complete with any IP or other assets they might have, rather than just the equipment impounded by the landlord.
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I have no doubt that the auctioneer is bringing in additional items for that auction. That is very common practice with auction houses, but the items shown on that auction page (all 50 computers, all monitors, drives, etcetera) were property of Amiga Inc at one point or another. They were all seized by the landlord to cover what amounts to a great deal of debt.


I'm with you on this one. The ridiculous story by "fleecy" that this is equipment brought in by the auctioneers and is being fraudulently passed off as having belonged to Amiga Inc. (presumably for no other reason than to spread more "FUD" about the company) is so laughable it isn't true.

The situation is simple: Amiga Inc were evicted and their office equipment seized for non-payment of rent. In the year since that happened, Amiga Inc have been unable to raise the funds to pay off their arrears and avoid the public humiliation of having their equipment auctioned.

If this is an indication of a company that has no financial difficulties and is thriving, then I would be the next supremo at the Vatican.

It don't know what "fleecy" and Ray are on, but I strongly suspect it has hallucinogenic properties.

  • It is hugely debatable whether there is such a thing as Amiga Inc's corporate entity, or precisely what it is they own or do, but that is not relevant to Billsey's point.
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2003, 06:57:27 PM »
@Wayne:

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The "Bill and `Fleecy` travelling circus" showing OS4 on the classic Amiga is irrelevant. While I applaud the valiant efforts of Hyperion and Eyetech to bring a marketable product to bear despite Amiga Inc's bungling, any company or individual stupid enough to give Amiga Inc money today has my sympathies.


I find this comment totally unnecessary. You know very well that OS4 has nothing to do with AmigaInc so please let not mix things up here. This is indeed a very strong statemtent you are making. What you are saying here or at least what i am reading in this is: don't buy os4.
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2003, 06:59:40 PM »
@Ohno:

with all respect, but we are talking about THE 2 or 3 pocketpacks yes? Games that are allready out for more than a year? So we are speaking of 8, at max 12 games?

This must earn them and you a lot of money...
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2003, 07:13:39 PM »
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with all respect, but we are talking about THE 2 or 3 pocketpacks yes? Games that are allready out for more than a year? So we are speaking of 8, at max 12 games?


Yes we are talking about these cards (there are 3, but I only care about the last two, since they are the first of a bunch). These games are not out for a year, most have been heavily adjusted in the mean time and they all run on a new AA-environment (based on intent1.3).

And yes.. we are CURRENTLY speaking of 8, max 12 games for now. But that's usually how it goes... you start by releasing a couple of games and after that, when successfull you work on the next bunch. These first cards are just a start, just like AOS4 is just a start in bringing AOS back up to modern standards. The fact that there are currently only 8-12 games released on gamecards doesn't mean these are the only games in existence. I can assure you there are more.

About the earning I can tell you that I haven't seen a single dime so far, which is understandable, since I haven't released anything so far. We are working on jami and Go for Goal though and would like to make some money on that in the future when they are finally done.
 

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2003, 09:22:00 PM »
Poster: Ohno Date: 2003/6/14 14:13:39

It's good that Amiga Inc may make some money, I'm sure Mr. Peck will be more then willing to get any payments to Amiga Inc garnished. ;)

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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2003, 09:27:58 PM »
@JoannaK

Would it not make make sense to you that someone who works for the company knows what going on with it?

This is the case here.  The owners have not changed.
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2003, 09:31:03 PM »
@Wayne

Hyperion nore eyetech have anything to do with the Auction, so there was no need to even remotely bring them into it.

Add to that your also calling them stupid.

Who the hell apointed you to judge eyetech & hyperion.

Your comment about eyetech hyperion & Aos4 booting on the classic are totally O/T Plus Amiga.inc are not involved in the tour as fare as i know.
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2003, 09:38:36 PM »
@z5

Hyperion is doing a terrific job with AmigaOS 4.0. However, Amiga has a lot to do with AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond.  Most of it is behind the scenes, but that's okay.. you are allowed to have an opinion, even if it is wrong. :-)

Games in the the Amiga PocketPaks use Amiga graphics APIs and other APIs that have not been released to the public (yet).   Jonas (aka Messiah) and I have both addressed this previously so, if you're really concerned as to what we've added, go hunting.
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Re: Auction List Posted
« Reply #59 from previous page: June 14, 2003, 09:44:23 PM »
@Dammy

Don't you mean garnisheed, unless you think Mr. Peck would like parsley on his money?  :lol:
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