Hyperion OS4 BPPC Survey.

[norm]

I have to aggree with skipp604 on this one . Amigan's stop being so tight! Buy a god damn A1. Throw away that old BPPC. I mean what's the point in porting OS4 to it. It's got a slow bus speed poor memory access and your stuck with AGA,  Permedia 2 or PCI equivalent graphics chips.

Come on guys it's time to put your A1200's to bed and buy something a bit newer.

[bloodline]

I have to aggree with skipp604 on this one . Amigan's stop being so tight! Buy a god damn A1. Throw away that old BPPC. I mean what's the point in porting OS4 to it. It's got a slow bus speed poor memory access and your stuck with AGA, Permedia 2 or PCI equivalent graphics chips.

That's really unfair!!! I spent a lot of money on my BlizzPPC, we are talking about saving for a couple of years... for what? Basicly an FPU that gets very very hot and has little support...

If there were no plans to support the existing PPC user base, why the hell didn't Hyperion just choose a decent CPU, with serious bang for buck...?

[DaveP]

I wouldn't even want to speculate. Given the CyberStorm runs on machines which have a plethora of drivers available and "differences" I don't actually follow their logic in this matter.

[z5]

I haven't got a PPC so it's not up to me to decide.

But if it was me, i wouldn't do a Blizzard version. I even think they should not have done a Cyberstorm version.

Why? As Skipp604 says, we need a new start. A new modern OS supporting new modern hardware. The old Amigas have been hacked, mutilated and are having expansions sticking out of every possible hole. I think the end is reached there.

I do have a lot of respect for PPC card owners because they took a big risk to support the Amiga platform (even thought about buying one myself to watch demos).  But these cards are, one have to admit, a hack, something that will never have optimal performance.

OS4 + new modern PPC hardware. That is the only solution to have a future. The rest is history...

[bloodline]

OS4 + new modern PPC hardware. That is the only solution to have a future. The rest is history...

Then I'll ask the question again, why choose such an antiquated system, as the G3  (and G4) if there was no intention to support the existing userbase?

The PPC range of chips are very nice, but they are very expensive for their performance, and require a lot of "custom" technology, that is not only buggy it's also fussy and it takes ages to be developed.

[z5]

Then I'll ask the question again, why choose such an antiquated system, as the G3 (and G4) if there was no intention to support the existing userbase?

Well, i think there is quite a difference. i'm not talking about the CPU alone, but the whole architecture (RAM access,harddrive access,...). Something entirely different than two very old cpu's on an expansion  card which goes into a motherboard that is 10 years old.

What you were probably hinting at is x86. Well, i would have loved to see OS4 on x86 but that discussion has been done over and over. It's their decision and i understand the reasons behind it.

[bloodline]

What you were probably hinting at is x86. Well, i would have loved to see OS4 on x86 but that discussion has been done over and over. It's their decision and i understand the reasons behind it.

Well, not exactly, I have no love of the x86 (maybe the x86-64, but that's another story)... I just don't see why the PPC was chosen if there were no plans to support the existing userbase. The PPC isn't a great choice for the user... why not choose the ARM for example?!!? Cheap, low power consumption, plenty of hardware, I'm sure high performance versions would be avaiable if there was demand...  Or even MIPS?!?!? (or what ever the PS2 uses)

-EDIT- Back on topic, I don't understand why porting AOS4 to the BlizzPPC is so simple, but supporting Hardware that already has drivers and works is so hard?

[MarkTime]

I have a towerized A1200, mediator, ethernet, some other cards....on the way.

And I was about to order my Blizzard, with 060 and 210mhz.....found a good price on one.

But hold the BUS.....they had already promised OS 4 for Blizzard, people made purchases based on their promised...now they are running a survey to see if they are going to do it.

Ya, ya, ya....no I won't participate in the survey, and I'm cancelling any plans to get a blizzard....can't trust people in this market.

It's OK though, Hyperion....I got my miggy at a good price and I can still sell it.

[Jim]

Porting OS4 to BPPC will drive up the initial price.. right ?

[MarkTime]

I'll also remind people that they said, the blizzard port was a two week job.

You know, I feel the most sorry for people who bought Blizzard's new, from DCE, or recently got them repaired, believing OS 4 was imminent.

How can some of you sit and there and not be outraged.  People in this market are tired of getting taken for money based on false promises.

Now OS 4 for Blizzard has suddenly gone from a done deal to a big maybe, and soon from maybe to NO, and we never promised it, are you crazy?

lol

[bloodline]

Porting OS4 to BPPC will drive up the initial price.. right ?

Well according to the release from Hyperion, "A Blizz PPC Port would be simple".

The question is why, if AOS4 is AOS3.1 compatible and the Real Amgia hardware is avaiable and AOS4 includes 68k emulation, will be there be issues with periphirals?

[norm]

You know, I feel the most sorry for people who bought Blizzard's new, from DCE, or recently got them repaired, believing OS 4 was imminent.

Sorry but when have Hyperion said that OS4 would run on BPPC? I think the main reason it runs on CPPC is because they needed something PPC to develop  it on.

I know alot of people would have saved up money etc but look at it this way. If you'd bought a PC back in 1999 would you be expecting to WinXP Pro on it?

[MarkTime]

if Microsoft said WinXP would run on that machine, then I would expect WinXP to run on it, and WinXP would run on it, because for whatever else Microsoft may be, they aren't liars.

As for you not remembering that Hyperion promised a Blizzard version...I have decided to not make any mention of where they made the promise.

You have 'Amiga memory' and there isn't much more to say about it.

I'm selling my Amiga as soon as it arrives, and going back to waiting for the troubled waters to settle down.....

[bloodline]

I know alot of people would have saved up money etc but look at it this way. If you'd bought a PC back in 1999 would you be expecting to WinXP Pro on it?

Actually it does (not to defend Windoze here)... and this is a totally different point...

-EDIT- I'm not sure it it is there now, but last time I looked the official Amiga.com website clearly stated that AOS4.0 would have full support for "PPC cards for existing Amiga Classic computers"...

[norm]

If you'd bought a PC back in 1999 would you be expecting to WinXP Pro on it?

Ok stupid comment there! I'll shut up  :-D

[MarkTime]

ok all...I've calmed down and decided to take the intellectual approach after all.  Many of you legitimately do not remember any promises from Hyperion, and think some of us are crazy.

Here is how I remember things:

What they said:

1/26/2002, Interview with Ben Hermans
http://glames.online.fr/infos/itw_hermans.html
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We will support AmigaOne, Cyberstorm PPC, Blizzard PPC (99% sure).

5/14/2002, Interview with Han-Joerg Frieden of Hyperion Entertainment:
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9. Is the situation with BlizzardPPC hopeless?

No, quite the contrary. We're quite positive that OS 4 will run on the BlizzardPPC.


How it was used by retailers to sell products:
Amiga.org, software hut update July 4th, 2002:
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OS 4 UPDATE

...we will begin taking orders on the Mediator, Amiga One and OS 4 for existing owners of the Cyberstorm and Blizzard PPC boards

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People bought Blizzards and Mediators
believing they had an OS 4 platform.  It was a good
excuse to keep investing in classic hardware.

I thought Hyperion was a cut above Amiga, Inc. in terms
of being trustworthy/open/ and  honest.  I hope
they still are, but somehow they've gotten the idea
its survey time, instead of deliver on promise time
and that makes me quite worried.

EDIT

by the way, I can't find the sources for all the things
I remember being said, like 'of course we will
support Blizzard PPC, that's been the Amiga market
for the last two years'

ETC.....I'll stick with what can be verified, sigh.
but I'm not crazy!  and yes, at times they showed
some doubt, but they kept back tracking on the doubt......and reassuring people...WHY....