MUI PPC ugraded!

[zacman]

>Ben Hermans states there that they will use the
>*latest* MUI source code.

Yes I know. IIRC back at that time the MUI cvs server
was even down and not available...

As I said they might have access to the latest MUI
source code but as I also said I'm almost sure that
they don't have access to the enhancements the
MorphOS team makes.

[logain]

@Giovanni

Apart from what zacman already said, OS4 will
only contain an unregistered Version of MUI
(just for backward compatibility to MUI apps).

[Giovanni]

@logain

Yes. But my keyfile will work anyway. And every user with a working keyfile shoudn't have a problem to edit & save MUI's preferences.

IBrowse uses MUI, the new FT2-Manager also (parts of OS4).

[Giovanni]

@zacman:

Well, I suppose that, too.

[Rodney]

@  zacman

MUI is a large part of MorphOS no doubt, but MUI doesnt (or at least i wouldnt think it would) make up any of the source code of Morphos. MUI is a third party applciation/library, which is used by MorphOS as its primary graphix/drawing lib...

MUI is what intiution/reaction is to AmigaOS, only, intuition and reaction arnt third party tools/apis and MUI is. Its supplied by someone to morphos who is outside of the Genesi organisation.

So im guessing a few people (including hyperion) could have access to the sources.

If that other guy (forgot your name) is true when he says the feature list say there will be a native version of the latest MUI, then, sounds like hyperion does have access to it. Possible? Yes, cause its not the morphOS source, its the MUI source!

[Hooligan_DCS]

>Ben Hermans states there that they will use the *latest* MUI source code.

Maybe for that time being, it's been several months?

But I surely hope everybody will get to benefit of updated MUI, OS4 users included. I myself have registered it aswell, and I think anyone who has done so, should get an update. Not only MorphOS users. Interviewing Stuntz may not be that bad idea at all... maybe after BBRV?

[zacman]

>MUI is a large part of MorphOS no doubt, but MUI
>doesnt (or at least i wouldnt think it would) make
>up any of the source code of Morphos.

Ok, I try to explain it again. You are of course right
that MUI is "just" a library. However there are parts
of MUI that have been enhanced by the MorphOS
team and all of them will of course only be available
for MorphOS.

>So im guessing a few people (including hyperion)
>could have access to the sources.

Sure but only of the parts that don't have any code in
it that has been added by the MorphOS team or has
been licenced to Genesi exclusively.

[SSSMoves]

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[Kronos]

@Rodney

a) ReaAction is also a 3rd-party-product, licenced by H&P
and now re-licenced by Hyperion. Old versions can be found as
ClassAct on Aminet.

b) Do you know that the contract between Strunzi and Genesi is NOT
the "same" as between Hyperion and the ReAction-author ?

Yes, Strunzi did give Hyperion access to the CVS, which at that
point included MUI-3.9-PPC done by R.S., but aslong as we don't
know whats in the contact(*) between Strunzi and Genesi, and what
Genesi has to feed back to the CVS and what not we can only guess.


* AFIAK there was a new(2nd) contract singned shortly before the
Aachen-show last december, which went further than just CVS-access.

[Hooligan_DCS]

Fill me in with one factor.. Strunzi?

Mean Stuntz? If not, I am completely out of this all heh

[jahc]

And its now proven that existing Amiga apps can look cool and modern.

[CodeSmith]

Yes, it's just too bad that people seem to be in favour of making apps hard to port between different "flavors" of the amiga.  If there are going to be two different versions of MUI (probably incompatible, even if not on purpose), one for MOS and another for AOS, developers are going to either (1) be forced to develop two separate versions of the program, doubling their costs and having two pitifully small user bases, (2) pick one of the two, still having a puny user base, or (3) just say "sod it" and write their stuff for a platform not hell-bent on sinking itself, like maybe BSD (netBSD for x86, MacOSX for PPC).

[Kronos]

@CodeSmith

Don't confuse the MUI-API with the MUI-settings.

As I understood this:
A MOS-app using MUI, could be set to use this
theme by the user, but a 68k version of that
same app would just look like "normal" MUI, with
only the a recompile inbetween.

Maybe one could even make IBrowse look like
this under MOS.

[cockney_dave]

Very nice... think I prefer GlowIcons over the MorphOS ones though  :-P

[Kent]

Interesting.  Glad to see this has been done with MUI.  There's still a long way to go before MUI can be considered up to date though.  I still see no way to control the color of the fonts inside the virtual frames.  Nor is there a way to change the images in the "icon list" to 32bit PNG files just yet.  I'm glad the borders now have the option to change from the default colors now, but what about setting up an MUI app with black background for listers, virtual groups, register windows etc.  What about snapshotting about windows or allowing a way to force the placement of the window relative to the desktop/screen size.

Asside from the arrows, radio, popup props, input strings, and lists... it's a good start.

Side note: The ambient gadgets need a little more space on the windows... they look way to crunched together for my taste.

Last I remember about the MUI sources for OS4, Hyperion have access to the latest sources and are allowed to make any modifications to the source through the use of the CVS as long as the other teams that have access to the CVS are allowed access to those changes and vice versa.

:pint:

[HMetal]

I've heard the same thing Kent.  But then I've also heard that Genesi has a special contract with Mr. Stuntz so that their changes don't go back into the same source tree.

This is quite unfortunate as the only people suffering here are the Amiga (and Amiga-like such as AROS, etc) community.  It is most unfair to the registered users of MUI.  They (if registered) paid for the latest and greatest MUI and shouldn't be limited because Hyperion or Genesi are the company to make/implement a "cool new feature" and, IMO, if Genesi has access to the source tree that Hyperion is commiting their changes to, so should Hyperion have access to the changes Genesi makes to the MUI source tree.

As for gradients in the interface themselves, I'm not much of a fan since they are only glitz at the expense of CPU cycles better used for important tasks. Regardless of my opinion of gradients, I still think this is sad, if true, that registered MUI users who use MUI under anything but Peg won't see those gradients if they so choose to use them.