Ben Hermans - Hyperion Entertainment Interviewed

[meerschaum]

you act as though pegasos is 'done' ... as a board... sure the Peg1 is done...but Peg2 is comming out this year ...and will definitly be superior to the A1 in its current iteration... it would be wise to get OS4 onto superior hardware.

I personally dont care about OS4 now... and wouldnt want the name Amiga on my board/os/etc when I buy my Pegasos...

[Wilse]

I thought it was a very decent interview.

Thanks and well played.  ;-)

[meerschaum]

so did I... I liked the interview... I think he answered my question alright... and I know some people say 'it was already answered' ... but what I was saying is that... I know they have rights to develop OS4... but I wondered if they had rights to develop AOS 'AFTER" OS4... should someone else buy the IP

[Warface]

The most exciting moment was no doubt the moment (more than 1 month ago now) when the Workbench screen first came up running on top of ExecSG.

Now I'd like to have an answer to a question Ray Akey dodged last time, concerning the OS4 release date in last year's November. That has been 6 months before.

Who provided that release date to Amiga Inc? Was it Hyperion, or was it just Amiga Inc's own makeup?

As it's clearly visible that Hyperion didn't even had an OS4 able to boot up even a Workbench back then, I'm pretty curious who lied intentionally to the community.

I know, I know, I could ask it earlier, blame me... :-)

But now I'm pretty much interested in from where all the (some dozen?) bogus release dates originated from?

(I have a pretty biased guess, but I won't name the certain company)

Anyway, keep up the good work and release your OS!
And thanks for all the answers. All seemed to be honest, and not exaggerating,

[Kay]

> you act as though pegasos is 'done' ... as a board... sure the Peg1 is done...but Peg2 is
> comming out this year

I don't act as anything, I was merely elaborating on what Ben himself said. I am aware that there are plans for a Pegasos 2, as is he. For now it isn't available, though, so *currently* the market is limited to a total maximum 600, with no more boards being made.

> and will definitly be superior to the A1 in its current iteration... it would be wise to get OS4
> onto superior hardware.

Heh, we'll see when both of the boards you are comparing exists. :-)

Kay

[olegil]

But would it make sense porting OS4 to Peg2 _now_?

Is there even a prototype or at least an emulator?
Can you be certain the darn thing will actually surface (no, previous products actually reaching a 600 person market does not count as a guarantee, I'm afraid. Even multibillion dollar companies will scrap ideas once in a while, so it would NOT be uncommon for someone like Genesi to change the specs of the Peg2 some or totyally  before release)
Is it economically sound? Do you know it will sell?

You see, it's difficult to predict, especially when it comes to the future ;-)

So I don't think everyone should take the route that "since OS4 does not as of yet run on non-existant hardware, it will most certainly fail". If enough of the right people want it to, it'll run on it, darn tootin! :-)

[meerschaum]

my question is does OS4 exist 'now" ? maybe this whole argument is baseless... since the OS in question dosent exist yet...

[MarkTime]

c'mon he says he has tangible evidence that Amiga Inc. isn't going bust any time soon.  Well, if Amiga Inc. isn't broke, then what is their excuse for no t-shirts, not paying employee's, for not paying creditors...just to !@#$@ with people?

No, being broke isn't good, but its the best excuse.  Otherwise, they aren't paying people, for no reason at all.  Thats not better!  thats worse, it implies fraud and criminal behaviour and everything else...geez

If Hyperion is so separate from these other parties, why does Ben continually defend their actions and make excuses for them?  

If Ben says he has 'tangible evidence' that means exactly nothing.  Until he provides his evidence, he has nothing.  

Edit by nOMAAM : personal attack

Good to see OS 4 is making progress, but getting workbench to load atop of exec sg for the first time, last month, doesn't imply an extended period of bug fixing, but implies they will get this out the door as soon as possible.

all-in-all I didn't expect them to do anything else....and if its just as stable as 3.9, I think we can forgive them for a few crashes.  but those who said they were glad for delays, cause they wanted a bug free product...they aren't going to get that...and btw DUH.

I look forward to OS 4's release...heck....with the exception of a few peg 1 owners, the only other choice is 3.9, and that's not a good choice anymore.

[HyperionMP]

>If Ben says he has 'tangible evidence' that means exactly >nothing. Until he provides his evidence, he has nothing. Fact >is, Ben loves to have people jump to conclusions...we get it >Ben, some people will jump to any conclusion...woo weeee, >you must be really proud of yourself, you can fool some >very gullible people.

You are making a fool out of yourself, only you don't know it yet.

Rest assured that I would never make such a statement without firm evidence.

>Good to see OS 4 is making progress, but getting workbench >to load atop of exec sg for the first time, last month, doesn't >imply an extended period of bug fixing, but implies they will >get this out the door as soon as possible.

I suggest you actually read the interview. I'm referring specifically to question 2.

Moreover, Hyperion has a reputation of releasing quality products.

I see no reason to doubt why it would be different with OS 4.0.

[downix]

The saddest part is, he took 3 paragraphs to answer my question, when
the end answer is "nothing is there to differentiate AmigaOS 4.0 from
MorphOS 1.3 in the eyes of those outside of the community."

[mikeymike]

An interesting interview, I thought.

[zacman]

>Moreover, Hyperion has a reputation of releasing
>quality products.

The Linux port for AmigaOne was also annoucned to
be ported by Hyperion. But it seems to have a
serious bug in it.

I also want to remind you that for example for
Heretic2 there first was a patch needed because
otherwise the game crashed for many people
because someone forgot to compile the user
release without debug code.

[Frodon]

Hello,

@HyperionMP
"Moreover, Hyperion has a reputation of releasing quality products."

As I know you can read french, I invite you to read the article about Hyperion latest announcement in this french Mac games website:

Hyperion announcement LudoMac article (French)

also read the comments (still in french) on this other Mac website:

MacGamezone Hyperion announcement article (French)

Regards

[uncharted]

Hehe I started reading the question I wrote and thinking "This looks familiar!" :lol:

@meerschaum

you act as though pegasos is 'done' ... as a board... sure the Peg1 is done...but Peg2 is comming out this year ...and will definitly be superior to the A1 in its current iteration... it would be wise to get OS4 onto superior hardware.

I personally dont care about OS4 now... and wouldnt want the name Amiga on my board/os/etc when I buy my Pegasos...

Firstly there are only are 600 (+plus internal Genesi) boards in existance, and there is no-way of knowing 100% for certain whether the Peg2 will ever be produced in quantity until it is physically available.  

Secondly you are answering your own question about why there would be a limited market on Peg - Many users would not be interested on PAYING for OS4.  MOS has been forming it's own identity (as far as it can in it's present state), and many users would never have anything to do with Amiga again (like yourself)

Finally the whole issue isn't totally transparent as people make out (I still maintain that the question is unfair).

From what has been said so far, it seems that Licenesing goes through Amiga inc, rather than Hyperion licencing each port themselves, so it is out of thier hands, and up to Amiga Inc. (Never gonna happen).

[Kees]

@ Frodon

Please .. let us not go *that* way ... lets keep it clean.

[elendil]

Apart from noMaam's apparant inability to type 'answer' correctly , I think it was a fine interview and I thank you for the effort, both interviewer and interviewed.

I have much respect for Hyperion. Just thought you should know - it all helps, right?

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.