Sequence of Events by Bill Buck

[Kees]

There is an interesting post on Moobunny by Bill Buck about the MAI situation.

"The three day trip became a ten day trip. Day 3 Mai finally admits there are problems ...

We helped Mai and Mai turned around and stabed us in the back. TerraSoft too. Hence, the April announcement. We produce 200 April1 Pegasos boards."

Read it all at Moobunny ...

[KennyR]

Although it's no doubt written in Genesi's favour, it's still nice to see a company actually go into detail about its dealings. If only Eyetech, Elbox, and especially AInc would do this we would be in a better state than we are now.

[Wilse]

Very interesting. I agree with Kenny, up to a point.
Having said that, if every company concerned made *all* their business dealings so transparent, it might do more harm than good

[bloodline]

With all the trouble, I'm wandering why Genesi didn't design their own chip, maybe modify an IBM one, and then get some cheap Chinese Fab to make them.

I'm wondering if it might not have been easier/ cheaper to use an exisiting X86 chipset and then use some glue logic to tie the PPC to it  :-D

[KennyR]

Transparent isn't quite the same as public. Transparency would probably harm business, but making dealings public doesn't mean full disclosure - but it doesn't mean lying in our faces either.

I think this simple narrative has made Genesi more credible in my eyes. What do other ppl think? (Apart from the fanatics that is, those can just shut the hell up).

[redrumloa]

This puts alot of pieces together in my head. Including what I read on the private A1 list when I used to be on it, and it used to be NDA. No I will not say what that is, I will respect the NDA. Nothing earth shattering, just lends credibility to Bill Buck.

[SidMan]

@redrumloa

What?

At least post the subject header of the mail in question so that people who are on the list can look it up.

[Kees]

just lends credibility to Bill Buck.

Now ... that really makes me curious !! hehe :-)

[zacman]

Just for your information...

The pictures in this news item
(the shaking hands) was actually meant for the
Genesi-MAI announcement...

[MarkTime]

What do other ppl think?

well, I think its clear that....

(Apart from the fanatics that is, those can just shut the hell up).

oops, nevermind. :-o

[redrumloa]

At least post the subject header of the mail in question so that people who are on the list can look it up.

I'm don't think I even have those emails archived anymore, just look at the timeframes and check the archives if you want to do research and you have access. I'm not saying anymore on the subject:-)

[System]

@bloodline: It took Mai years to design the Articia S.

Other x86 chip manufacturers have been working since the early 90's on current northbridge solutions.

As you know it'd only take 20 minutes to find a place who'd sell you a chip, and cheaper to just buy that, than delay for 2 years on a custom controller and then have to throw it out at a hugely exploded price.

As for gluing x86 chips to a PPC: very funny, but please don't start people off thinking you were serious..

As it happens the sole reason why the Pegasos is stuck with the Via 8231 for southbridge support is that all of the newer chipsets from Via and other manufacturers use HyperTransport or NetBurst to communicate with the processor/northbridge. These are very x86-biased protocols.

[bloodline]

As for gluing x86 chips to a PPC: very funny, but please don't start people off thinking you were serious..

Sorry, I realise now that some people might have taken me seriously!!! I was trying to show how rediculess the situation wa with a bit of irony.

[SidMan]

@redrumloa

I'm don't think I even have those emails archived anymore, just look at the timeframes and check the archives if you want to do research and you have access. I'm not saying anymore on the subject

Ok, I'll take this as a flame against Eyetech then. As I am unable to match anything against the two timelines.

[redrumloa]

Ok, I'll take this as a flame against Eyetech then. As I am unable to match anything against the two timelines.

You are either not on the private NDA list, or it has been removed from the archive. I don't know or care, I am not part of it anymore. I know what I read.

BTW 1 + 1 does not equal 3. Don't imagine flames where there aren't any.