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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #14 from previous page: March 30, 2003, 10:41:07 PM »
found alan's comments bout IBM's helpfulness to be quite interesting. Their 970 chip is touted as being apple's chip of choice to replace the decrepit G4 (ie it'll be the G5). I'm sure they'd like their new chips to be adopted by ppc board manufacturers besides apple. Who supplies the g3s for the pegasos and aone boards btw - ibm or moto?
 

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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2003, 10:56:49 PM »
@ Rogue

That means you are quite close to be able to demo your OS now? So when could we expect this public demo of OS4? Before this summer?
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2003, 11:07:48 PM »
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That means you are quite close to be able to demo your OS now? So when could we expect this public demo of OS4? Before this summer?

 
I'm not Rogue, but the fact that they nearly had a demo
ready already for AmiGBG is rather indicating wouldn't you say?

(some comments on amigaworld.net is pretty interesting
too)
 
When is the next fair I wonder? ;-)
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2003, 11:36:07 PM »
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I'm not Rogue, but the fact that they nearly had a demo
ready already for AmiGBG is rather indicating wouldn't you say?

Well yes, if it *is* a fact! (I was trying to get some more specific information from Rogue on that matter ;-))

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(some comments on amigaworld.net is pretty interesting too)

Feel free to mirror some of those for us who does not like to go there!

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When is the next fair I wonder?

Hmm, a release of a publically available A1+OS4 combo migh perhaps even justify a fair by itself? At least in a high density Amiga user country like Germany.
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2003, 01:49:13 AM »
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Rogue, was this a demo of OS4 (with all the new modules) running on cyberstormPPC or a demo of OS3.9 running on ExecSG with emulation?


It depends. On first boot it would be OS 3.9, on second OS 4.0, because our current boot loader can only load PPC stuff, not 68k. The "advantage" of the delay is that we can fix that until next time, that's actually on the TODO list for tomorrow.
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2003, 01:53:04 AM »
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So when could we expect this public demo of OS4?


I can't say for sure. Depends on which show someone from the team can actually attend, and to be honest I am not completely sure where and when the next show will be. We did hurry some stuff that should have been done differently, but since we didn't make it in time we'll redo a few things, since we have the chance now.

There is only one chance to make a first impresion  :-D
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2003, 06:55:36 AM »
*SLIM JIM* Thanks for your fun show report.

***ROGUE***** Thanks for your candid response to the thread.

 This is very good news. Being a Cyberstorm owner. This is joyous news to me.  Approximately how fast is the 68k emulation on a 233mhz PPC? Faster than 060?
Is the Cyberstorm OS 4.0 going to be released prior to the Aone version?

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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2003, 08:59:58 AM »
These are really good news regarding OS4. So the 68K emulators are finally implemented? (I presume so)
 

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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2003, 10:29:38 AM »
@Rogue:

I agree on the "only one chance for a first impression" thingie.

For me, MOS lost a LOT of cred by showing machines with software they KNEW was going to crash the system. Sure, most (if not all) of the silly crashes (as opposed to normal crashes when referencing null pointers etc) are now fixed, but it's WAY too late because the first impression was one of constant crashing.

I therefore salute Hyperion for not showing much until it's working. We did try to show some elements in September at the AmigaOne fall event, but the criticism about that only being modules running on m68k is understandable (and frustrating when you happen to know that C compiles into both m68k and ppc from the same source (at least for user level programs, which is what we're talking about that case))

However, I've made it pretty clear that I won't be coming back to Gothenburg until I can show OS4 running on an AmigaOne.

Unless I build a server farm with G3 cards in 1U rack units with serial IO, GBE and RAID, that is... I had a visit on the stand from someone who works with server farms, and I can tell you his face lit up when I showed him U-Boot and how simple it is to get it to use serial console :-)

Btw, we're more or less planning a release party for OS4, any chance we can invite you and Thomas to Gothenburg for a bunch of beer once OS4 is out? I'm thinking maybe a small showing with a bunch of machines followed by one hell of a party :-)

Maybe split it into partying for CSPPC version, showing both versions once A1 version is out and another party for an eventual later BPPC release as well. Can't miss an opportunity to party, I say  :-P

Doesn't have to be much of a fair, the less organizing for Kjell and the others the better. But at least _something_ would be cool. Ok?
 

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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2003, 10:31:52 AM »
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Then he said: "Oh...I think they are some 1500 km away or so."

ROTFL That's Alan alright.
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2003, 10:48:36 AM »
Errata #2
 
Alan didn't say 1500 km, he said 1200.
 
(Now this is attention to detail, isn't it?) :-D
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2003, 10:50:52 AM »
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Btw, we're more or less planning a release party for OS4, any chance we can invite you and Thomas to Gothenburg for a bunch of beer once OS4 is out? I'm thinking maybe a small showing with a bunch of machines followed by one hell of a party.

 
I certainly hope this plan would come into fruitition. That event would probably beat the fair itself in attendance numbers, I'd say!
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2003, 11:15:03 AM »
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Approximately how fast is the 68k emulation on a 233mhz PPC?


We didn't do any benchmarking yet. The system will always boot up with the interpreter, the JIT will only be used once the system is up and running.
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Re: SlimJim's Not-so-short AmiGBG fair report
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2003, 11:20:12 AM »
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Btw, we're more or less planning a release party for OS4, any chance we can invite you and Thomas to Gothenburg for a bunch of beer once OS4 is out? I'm thinking maybe a small showing with a bunch of machines followed by one hell of a party


Hmmm, well, "hell of a party" definitely sounds good ;-) I guess you just won me over...
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