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In a move to try and diversify its product line, former Amiga owner Gateway is set to release digital projectors. Interestingly, since squandering and later selling its Amiga assets in the late 1990s, Gateway has, well, positively tanked. Who's to say where they'd be today if they'd released a new Amiga years back? Would they be where Commodore is right now, or where Dell is? You can voice your opinion by posting a comment.

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2003, 04:16:02 PM »
Personally, I think Gateway could have profited from Amiga if they'd done something with it without betting the whole farm on it. What could they have done? Well, they could have ported Amiga OS 4.0 to PPC and released a new Amiga like FIVE YEARS AGO, for one thing.
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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2003, 05:01:33 PM »
in a cynical and petty way, I think gateway gets everything they 'deserve' at this point, if they hadn't kept meddling with Collas, he could have done some great things for them and they wouldn't have had to bet the farm on it, either.

Jeff Schindler was all talk and no action prior to Collas and afterward.  I was looking at some old Amazing Amiga issues from 1999 with a sad sigh a few days ago.

Too bad Ted W., you screwed up and you only have yourself to blame, as Nelson on the Simpsons says - Ha-Ha!

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2003, 06:19:12 PM »
People honestly aren't deluded enough to think that Gateway's performance issues are a result of selling off their Amiga assets. Do they?
 

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2003, 06:37:35 PM »
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People honestly aren't deluded enough to think that Gateway's performance issues are a result of selling off their Amiga assets. Do they?


No, that would be stupid. But they did burn their bridges by dumping what could have been a great little cash cow for them (i.e. Amiga). It's certainly possible  that they could have got them selves a nice little "Mac" type market.

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2003, 06:48:27 PM »
Hi guys,

I'm sorry, I just cannot buy into the idea that the Amiga had more than a minimal impact on Gateway.  I also cannot place the circlet of blame for the current condition of the Amiga.

Gateway is suffering due to a few bad decisions, the economy, and extremely tightening competition.  In fact, with the rest of the world wanting Windows (stop deluding yourselves), their pursuit of the Amiga might have ended up completely destroying their ability to be in business today.  

To be realistic, Gateway bought leverage in the trademarks.  That's all.  Leverage intended (and more than likely used) in a re-negotiation with Microsoft for their software licensing agreement.  Gateway might have spent "20 million" (I don't remember) but if they got $3.00 off of each machine they sold, they've more than paid for the investment.  Especially when you consider that they found other idiots to license the trademarks and name for 4.5 million.
 

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2003, 06:52:21 PM »
Maybe they're being hit by the "Amiga Curse"...

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2003, 10:18:16 PM »
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Maybe they're being hit by the "Amiga Curse"...
Dammit, i was gonna say that ;-)
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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2003, 10:27:23 PM »
I agree that the Amiga was a minimal thing in the history of gateway, but that, I thought, was the point of the thread.

It was too many things having a minimal impact, and not enough important things happening, that caused Gateway to not be in the winners circle today.

Lack of vision and, yes, if the economy was great, it would be easier for them, and everyone...but the economy is not great, these things happen, and they aren't doing so well.

If they got $3 off on their windows license, which I doubt, but if they did, then they saved $3 on machines that cost multiple hundreds to build, big deal really...sure its saving money, thats good, but they needed more than the everyday cost cutting, they needed innovation.

what a waste of potential.

I can be very cynical, but I will draw the line at saying anything Amiga related is a waste of time...if so, then I just waste my time by being here.   I don't.  No, there will be competition in the computer sphere...whether it is actually launched from this group, I don't know, but I do know its useful to 'think different' (its more than just a cliche).

5 years ago, gateway had  a real opportunity that they failed to realize.
 

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2003, 04:43:17 AM »
A good friend of mine used to work as a Gateway tech support rep, right when they had the big change of management.  Before the management switch, the job was OK.  After the switch, he DESPISED the job.

His worst experience is when they started attaching clocks to all the support lines.  Due to a bug in the system, sometimes the clocks reported that a call lasted 0 seconds.  Even though it happened often and to everybody, management thought tech support reps were picking up the phone and hanging up.  Within 3 months, my friend left the company.

From what I've heard, Gateway is getting what they deserve.
 

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2003, 06:53:27 AM »
I don't completely buy that M$ would even give a rat's patoot about GW's owning the Amiga at the time, especially since they were a distant fourth or lower in the PC vendor world, probably lower.  If IBM or Dell, Compaq or otherwise had it, I could see M$ taking more notice.  But IBM had already squandered OS/2, Compaq effectively thrown away the Alpha CPU, Tru64 Unix and whatever else they bought from the remants of DEC (does anyone know really why they bought DEC in the first place?) and HP still couldn't decide if they wanted to be a printer company, PC company or high-end Unix server company.  Kind of like Motorola putting out great CPUs but always 'later' than Intel/AMD, thus x86 ate their lunch too, and Motorola building all sorts of other stuff intel never did, distracting them from a CPU-focus.

M$ has focus and the most powerful marketing/FUD department in the business (we already know they don't have the best software :).  intel even cowers in many ways to them, how would (comparatively) little Gateway have had any leverage?

While surely the Amiga wouldn't have been the core business for Gateway, they might have made some good money by simple PPC updates for killer apps like the Toaster, etc. and had a nice little side business - the success of Linux is proof that others are still waiting for a better way than Windoze, the Amiga might have been a small part of that.. .


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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2003, 07:46:19 AM »
Gateway's reorg killed off all their differentiating factors- which seem to have been mostly Amiga, AOLTV, and the whole offagainonagain relationship with the entertainment PC concept- at a moment when those identities suddenly became important.

Think about it; when you write about 'Wintel' suppliers, a list like "Dell/Gateway/Compaq" three years ago, and "Gateway/Dell/Zeos" or whatever a few years before that, has since been abbreviated to "Dell."   Ignoring the realities of business that made the changes seem a good idea to management, consider what made *anyone* choose a Gateway in the past 5 years.

The associations left rattling in my head from that era are "Lower cost (than Dell)," "Association with gaming (Price/Performance)," and "Biggest name to sell Athlons."  Over that time period, commoditization has steamrolled over the price and processor aspects, while DIY has become ridiculously easy (and 'serious' gamers no longer give any of the big movers cred, preferring boutique shops like Alienware).

As such, for the average peon, there's just no real reason left to consider Gateway.  Their LCD all-in-one was a decent effort, but an eMachine from Best Buy has almost the same appeal.  Not many people have reason to walk into a Gateway Store (there's no draw, and the Radio-Shack-like salespitching keeps them from becoming impromptu landmarks*), and no one ever got fired for ordering a Dell.  

Just about all the major box-pushers have ignored the chance to leverage home networking; were the MCC to have included HomePNA, as was specced at one point, it could've seen a few sales as an Audiotron-like peripheral; similar thought put into the AOL appliance might've made its own small splash.  ("So I can put the intarweb on my TV while the kids surf?  Wow!")

For those few left buying Gateways, there's no sense of having bought into anything.  Apple has their ideology thing going; Dell has their... Dellness, with the ever-growing web of products and services around them; HP has sort of sidled into a Smith-Corona position (remember all the word processing 'appliances' of a decade or two ago?) with their emphasis on Things that Sell Printer Ink; IBM at least makes you look really l33t.**  It's just a box you could've had from Circuit City, but for $200 more.***

Gateway could've leveraged it all into something- peripherals and services for the consumer that would've meant more revenue (and provided reason for anyone to waste 10 minutes in a Gateway store- hey, they got 5 minutes out of me at The Wiz, back in the day of the original Dimension) ... meanwhile, as the MCC really *was* little more than a Transmeta + All-In-Wonder layout, they could've knocked a few unnecessary components off and cut a deal with Citrix to stay relevent in the corporate space.

The "Amiga Curse" bit them only in so far as it's always implied ditching R&D and general acts of brand destruction- and really, you don't bother picking up Amiga in the first place unless something's a bit off-kilter to begin with.  (In Gateway's case, the failure to spin the Dimension concept into marketability any other way... and HP seems to have run with the ball as of Media Center Edition.)

*I'm in no way representative, but Apple Stores seem to have become the landmark of choice on recent mall expeditions.  Everyone can recognize the logo and the  THX-1138 lighting, and the coffee-bar layout *does* mean you can kill 20 minutes in one if you need to, slowly being won over by all the shiny plastic trinkets (and locking up the demo units trying to run System Profiler, presumably fixed as of Jaguar ;)), as opposed to hard-sell establishments like Radio Shack, Gateway, and half of anything else you might find in a US shopping center.

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***Computers *are* becoming more like cars, Apple having managed to spin up the whole representation-of-personality thing among the consumer masses, and awareness of upgrade cycles having broke through to even the least technical of minds.  Gateway's been stuck with the GM-of-a-few-years-ago card- too diversified, with no clear vision and an overly staid marketing model.
 

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2003, 11:04:46 AM »
How truly sad.  Gateway's fall from the top 5 had absolutely nothing to do with Amiga, not even the "curse".  Their whole fall started when Ted fired Tom as his right hand man (the guy who was gung ho on the Amiga in the first place) and hired that rattly little bean counter of a wanna-b CEO (Jeff Weitzen).  There were so many huge budget cuts and reorganizations while trying to improve ideas and technology that ended up to be things noone wanted... "services".

Did you know that for $250 bucks a Gateway tech will come out to your house and move all of your data from your old computer to your new computer?  Yeah, sounds good for the non techies don't it?  Here's the limitations:  No applications, only on usb networks, all files that will be transferred must reside in 1 folder, the size can not excede 2GB.  Hell, for 25 bucks I would do this for anyone and they want ten times the amount?  Something is wrong with that.  Who's idea was that you say, well none other than Jeff Weitzen... the bean counter.

When Gateway decided to rebrand from Gateway2000 to just plain Gateway, they decided to retrain every single employee on a completely new extremely buggy customer database system.  The training cost 17.5 million dollars which they could have just renewed their contract with the maintainers of the old customer database system for 10,000 a year.  Same person made that decision.

Jim Collas was considered a mover and a shaker only because he was pissed off at how they (the executive board of directors) were treating Jeff Schindler.  He wasn't going to take the offer unless the bean counter's board of directors were going to back off and let him do his thing.  Jeff actually had some damn good plans but since most of them didn't take Gateway into direct consideration they were all shot down but one, which sucked.  Don't knock Jeff, he did more for the Amiga than Collas did, only it was inside work rather than visible by the masses.

Why did Collas leave, sorry, that one remains a closed topic due to a personal request from JC.  Jeff Weitzen had nothing to do with JC's decision though.

What ever happened to the "PEA" (portable email assistant) that used the new ubber lightweight OS they had recently acquired?  Why was Jeff so hung up on BlueTooth technology in his ideas for the future Amiga?  Why did Jeff Weitzen agree to allow Amiga Inc to contract Pentagram to design concept cases, and why did they look into designing matching PDAs?

You know, a ton of questions remain unanswered and forever lost from that era in Amigadom, but it was probably one of the best times to see the inside happenings of Gateway.  After Jeff Weitzen's idea of "noone wants standard hardware" and "let them eat services" stance on business practices for 3 years with Gateway, Teddy boy came back and booted Jeff Weitzen to the curb where he belongs.  Interesting note: where is Jeff Weitzen today?

Anyway, I'll leave it open from there.

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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2003, 11:29:11 AM »
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Kind of like Motorola putting out great CPUs but always 'later' than Intel/AMD, thus x86 ate their lunch too, and Motorola building all sorts of other stuff intel never did, distracting them from a CPU-focus.


maybe I'm just wack but Intel is keeping the pockets full from non-processor revenue (not saying that they don't earn from their cpu division) doing all sorts of wierd hardware dev. AMD lives from its flash memory and network business, and Motorola from its communication business.

so what's bad in mot delivering cpus after x86?
mot tried to build a apple compat PPC machine, but apple didn't want it so they fired an entire plant. even apple is bickering about G5 i/o transport methods. no wonder they wont develop bleeding edge hw, when noone supports them all the way.

we need the amiga :-)
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Re: Gateway tries to "diversify" product line with
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2003, 10:09:02 PM »
Hmmm. . thanks for the info on JS, I guess I have a better impression of him now, BUT, I still fault him for not communicating better, collas was MUCH better at motivating the masses, for better or for worse - I never felt Schindler was approachable (well, nobody's Petro after all :) when I saw him at AmiWest, etc.

The one year, think it was 1999, where there was a whole 'crew' at AmiWest and Collas spoke simulcast from London, that was darn cool.  Sigh. . .

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