Announcement concerning the Genesi/Phoenix collaboration

[Targhan]

In a joint statement, Raquel Velasco, Bill Buck, and greenboy clarify some outstanding issues about the future of Genesi, the role of Phoenix, and the DTV set-top-box.

Further, they are expressing their desire to bring more developers on board.

We are very pleased how with how the Phoenix/Genesi relationship is developing. Genesi is in the process of formally organizing itself into two distinct activities:

 1. One to support the task oriented objectives focused on the delivery of the DTV STB by the end of 2003.

 During the month of March Genesi will transition existing consulting/ employment agreements to the new structure. A list of well known Developers in the "Community" will be joining Genesi. These individuals will be almost exclusively focused on the DTV STB project.

 2. The Future of the Pegasos and MorphOS, including the release of the Pegasos II using the Marvell northbridge.

 The difficulties with the Articia have delayed the Pegasos long enough. The Pegasos II development has begun and WILL be completed sooner than expected.

 Genesi will operate from offices in Luxembourg, France, and Germany with a branch office in Switzerland. "Virtual" offices will also operate in the USA and the UK. An extensive Internet sales and support infrastructure is being implemented.

 Genesi and Phoenix are seeking collaborators in nearly every area. Here is a full list of Phoenix mailing lists that are now devoted to Genesi development:

 Phoenix@phinixi.com - general discussion and internal announcements
PhAnn@phinixi.com - newsfeed to broadcast announcements to outside news sites and forums
PhrojectOS@phinixi.com - Open Source community with an emphasis on porting and supporting Open Source work


 These are moderated by greenboy and open to all interested parties who meet Phoenix's expanded definition of DEVELOPER: coders, web designers and publishers, financiers, beta testers, translators, arts and media specialists, etc.

 Then:

 PhAppTeam@phinixi.com - applications (Chairman: Felix Schwarz)
PhDemoScene@phinixi.com - demo scene (Chairman: Mikko Virtanen)
PhGameTeam@phinixi.com - games for DTV STB (Chairman: Thomas Steiding)
PhReseller@phinixi.com - distributors/resellers (Chairman: Adam Carrano, Christophe Decanini)
PhWeb@phinixi.com - Phoenix website design and maintenance
(Webmaster: Gary Cunningham-Lee, Admin: greenboy, with support from Genesi WebDev Team Leader Damien McKenna)


 Lists we are considering:

 PhGames@phinixi.com - games for Pegasos on the desktop
PhREBOL@phinixi.com - should Rebol be part of the platform?
PhDigAudio@phinixi.com - to ramp up what Nicholas Blachford's MORloud started. Note: Genesi has licensed ProStation Audio for MorphOS from Maurizio Ciccione of AudioLabs. ProStation Audio will be bundled with the OS.
PhVideo@phinixi.com - from here the videomicrowave will take off. It begins with MediaPoint, and scales into a special IOSPIRIT offering - along with many other goodies being planned and soon to come.

All requests to join Phoenix/Genesi mail lists are welcome! - just send email with a brief bio/CV to greenboy@phinixi.com

[Targhan]

My 2 pennies: I knew something was up when I was told about the Felix thing...  

Here's the url to "Marvell" and their controllers:  http://www.marvell.com/products/communication/discoveryII/index.jsp

[MiniBobF]

That's offical confirmation that Pegasos II will run the Galileo DiscoveryII. In terms of Amiga Inc and Hyperion it's probably good news as it means it's a great deal more effort for someone to get an unlicensed copy of AmigaOS4.x running on Pegasos II.

Not only would a ROM dongle have to cracked, an additional HAL is needed, or patch/hack on the current one.

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF

[MoribundToot]

@Targhan

I notice there is no mention of AGP at all, only PCI and PCI-X.  Did I miss something when I was reading it?

If so, it seems like all  the controllers are limited to older and slower PCI graphics cards.

[MiniBobF]

I notice there is no mention of AGP at all, only PCI and PCI-X. Did I miss something when I was reading it?

If so, it seems like all the controllers are limited to older and slower PCI graphics cards.

That's possible. Unless they have someway to emulate AGP on the PCI bus? The AGP signal set is a subset of the PCI Bus. After a discussion I had with a chap on the AmigaOne mailing list, it seems the internals of an AGP device have additional registers (GART) and they lack a few features of PCI.

Unless they can find some way to emulate the AGP functionality (A skilled VHDL/ABEL programmer armed with FPGA tools could do this), then your assumption could be correct - they will be limited to PCI Graphics cards. That by no means mean they are slow though - but are modern graphics chipsets available in PCI form??

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF

[trgse]

This is VERY good news for Amiga Inc. and Hyperion since one looser (Bill Buck) joins forces with another looser (David Greene).

that Phoenix group has to be one of the greatest failures ever in software development.

[Bodie]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is David Greene?

[catohagen]

Pardon my total ignorance, but who is David Greene?

David Greene alias greenboy ?

[Bodie]

:smack:  :python:

Thanks catohagen!

[bbrv]

Hi trgse, we are sure like some people in this community you are frustrated by our success.  Your insults are not necessary.  Just stick to other threads.  Phoenix never had any support or substance behind them.  Now they do.  We can already see positive results.  There is really no sense in continuing all the bickering back and fourth.  We are moving ahead with or without you.  

There is a translation for Spanish speakers here.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill
Genesi

P.S. Cato, we noticed your posts on ANN and here.  Thanks for being civil! :-)

[MoribundToot]

@MiniBobF

Thanks for your reply.  Some of ATIs chipsets work on the PCI bus (I dont know about their latest ones though).

[System]

>>Hi trgse, we are sure like some people in this
>>community you are frustrated by our success. Your
>>insults are not necessary. Just stick to other
>>threads. Phoenix never had any support or
>>substance behind them. Now they do. We can
>>already see positive results. There is really no
>>sense in continuing all the bickering back and
>>fourth. We are moving ahead with or without you.

Or you can leave this Amiga news site and do your marketing else where!

don't you just hate SPAM!
SPAM SPAM SPAM!

[Kay]

@trgse:

Hey, that's not called for. Buck has finally managed to put together a statement which doesn't include any FUD against the AmigaOne. It's a change for the better, so let's just leave him alone on this one.

Kay

[Crumb]

This is the correct URL for the Spanish translation
;-)

[KennyR]

This is VERY good news for Amiga Inc. and Hyperion since one looser (Bill Buck) joins forces with another looser (David Greene).

It's loser, not looser!
And, uh, it's not like me to step in for Genesi, but...

I know some people would have something against Bill Buck out of anger about anti-AInc/A1/OS4 posts in the past (or just out of blind prejudice) but how can you even know David Greene?

Anyway, it's not so good for AInc as you think. Like it or not it's a very good alliance for Genesi, which is more than can be said for AInc's very foolish alliances when building the DE and later with the Evil Gatesian Empire, who eat small companies for breakfast and spit out the bones.