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Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« on: February 23, 2003, 01:17:25 AM »
At MorphOS-News.de and on the public MorphOS-mailinglist, Genesi give further information regarding the change to the Pegasos-II-board and an upgrade-offer for Pegasos-I-owners:

This is a letter we sent out today to the "inside" group...(sorry no ima1ges!)...



22 February 2003

Dear Friends of Genesi,

   We wanted to provide some basic communication this weekend to all of you, because frankly our focus this past week has been the Management meetings here in Paris.  We hope that this letter will assist you in understanding more clearly the direction of the Company.  Please feel free to respond directly to us at bbrv@genesi.lu with your questions. If you understand and share our vision, you can adjust
your effort to become more relevant to our corporate framework if you desire.

   As we have said before, Genesi stands on the verge of enormous opportunity.  We can provide a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and a number of (bundled and unbundled) applications. We can innovate in ways that involve the complete integrated package, rather than being limited to new developments within each level by third parties (HP and Microsoft are not as self-reliant in this way).  Genesi and our associates need to leverage this advantage fully. We are smaller, faster and will be necessarily more adventurous in our efforts. Do not hesitate to share your most creativity ideas with these mailing lists.  Together, we believe we can create a substantial and long awaited change to the IT marketplace.

   In the first BIG opportunity to our Company, we are required to develop using a PPC and MorphOS, a terrestrial Digital Television receiver with  interactive/computing and smart card read and write functions (to be referred to as the DTV STB).  This product will not require the use of the Articia and we will be producing significant quantities in the development phase and a special version of MorphOS (without hurting the complete version).  If we deliver the DTV STB in a satisfactory manner we will be eligible to receive orders for over one million units. It is a once-in-a-lifetime professional opportunity for all of us.  We need to make the most of it.

   Of course, none of this would be possible without the years of dedication required to bring the Pegasos and MorphOS to where it is today.  We are all proud to be associated with the bplan guys.  The difficulties over the last year have nothing to do with them.  It is the Articia from Mai Logic that has caused us months of delays.  It does not perform to the advertised specifications.  Thankfully, Gerald and Thomas tested and mounted the Aritica on the April2.  That is right -- the April2.

   The first patch that Gerald and Thomas developed works as we know, but there were still bugs.  The new Articia (and Teron) is still very likely to have trouble as more problems were detected after the Aachen Show and well after the joint work Gerald did with for the new Articia in October and November with Mai.  The April2 brings the Articia fully to the performance levels it claims to achieve. We have purchased the remaining worldwide supply of the old Articias and will make 400 more Pegasos main boards with the G3 CPU.  Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia.  This will be common knowledge soon (let the others understand this on their own our word will stand
as testimony to our knowledge and skill).  Once produced, we will stop (we may license production of this version of the Pegasos to Plexuscom or others).  These machines will easily satisfy the Amiga market and give us the machines we need to seed our developer base while Gerald and Thomas switch out the old Articia to a much more attractive
alternative (details later).  This could be ready by the summer.  The RAM speed of the Pegasos will be as high as any offered in the market and this WILL attract considerable interest.  The DTV STB revenue can carry us until this point (remember this IS a business we hope you Developers begin to remember this!).

   To repeat a few words from an earlier communication?

   If our strategic vision is compelling and our execution excellent, we will increasingly attract skilled developers. What Ralph, Frank and the core MorphOS Development Team have accomplished to date is exceptional, but now we need to establish a professional development and management system for MorphOS, formally retain the services of all
key MorphOS developers, and recruit new talent to the project. We have struck on the Phoenix association to develop a vehicle to do this. All
registered Phoenix members must use a special Phoenix logon and password to have access to the reduced Pegasos pricing that will be available through www.pegasos-usa.com. We need to be somewhat selective in insuring that these next boards go to people that will advance in communion with our effort and our internal developers and
Phoenix members will have priority.  We will also develop the User Group program next week and a system for handling Pegasos sales so our
Distributors also benefit.

   Our targeted resource/sales markets from the near to medium term are:

   1. Amiga/MorphOS
   2. DTV STB
   3. LinuxPPC and OtherPPC

   We will continue to promote to the Amiga/MorphOS market, as we have.  Our underlying focus should be: broadening and stabilizing MorphOS, attracting applications and drivers (ports/original
programs), and establishing a Pegasos toolkit. At the same time, www.pegasos-usa.com is working and our online sales support and information site at www.genesi-support.com will continue to improve.  If we are lucky we will awaken and attract the slumbering ex-Commodore
consumer market, but that will take some time and we are not quite ready for mass-market attention.  The sites will be there and ready.

Until we are ready with the Pegasos II we will not promote the sites as much as we could. Plus, we will standardize the Pegasos distribution network over the next few months taking a semi-franchise
approach.  When we are ready, everything will be in place.

   On the hardware side we start where we are: the Pegasos.  We have discussed the features: upgradeable, scalable, modifiable (smaller
eclipsis, subsets/modular Psylent/STB), and open, as in Open Firmware (facilitates scheme for peripheral association/development IAW the
IE1275 standard).  We will develop a solid plan and feature set for each Pegasos envisioned and the corresponding software bundles.  The management review that took place this week was very successful.  We have defined and agreed to our objectives and are now preparing a solid plan for the future.

   NOTE: for 200 Euros and trade-in ALL Pegasos I Users (includes Betatesters) WILL be able to upgrade to the Pegasos II (just to put an end to that FUD!).

   About Linux and the other targets?OS4 too -- ;-)

   Linux people usually want something great for nothing, but in the PPC market if we can get a design win over the Teron the next price point is a Mac. As more professionals and desktop consumers switch to Linux, the future of commercial software on Linux is very bright and so is our hardware. Functionality will become precedent over cost in this market.  We need a bootable bundled distro and Mac-on-Linux.
Linux will be a major force in the future. Today, it is still difficult to install software, drivers, set up firewalls, etc., but because of the generous licensing environment and the massive corporate support Linux is gaining (IBM, HP, etc.) as well as
government mandates and funding in many countries, it is set to become the "next big thing".  We need to be part of that trend.

   Any PPC OS that is reasonable to port with external resources is interesting to us.  We need a Go/NoGo decision matrix. Again, we are looking for resources and developer talent.  For example, while Linux gets the glory, BSDs are running some of the biggest sites.  We have seen the first screenshots of OpenBSD running on the Pegasos.   Further, there is an increasing amount of interesting open source
projects we could find a way to adapt to our use.

   Finally, we are interested in restoring the Demo Scene to the Pegasos. The traditional and overt message in a demo was technical skill. The visual effects pushed the supposed limits of the
platform's capability and graphics were skillfully executed.  Good demos are the marriage of advanced technical, creative and artistic abilities.  For the future, we need a new generation of Sceners to be pulling the most from the platform and the OS.  This can generate plenty of positive attention.  Besides the nVidia butterfly lady has the wrong color wings!  This is why we decided to sponsor Equinoxe.

   All these other things all ultimately bring us back to our key advantage: a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and applications. Management is working hard to turn
this vision into a reality. While the sale of the Pegasos and MorphOS alone could never sustain the Company we are building, it may one day
in the future.  We use the Pegasos today to begin our move to the future, while insuring the development and growth of the MorphOS.
Things could get pretty exciting if we can get that far.  Let us not forget that 30 million STBs sold last year and they were called video game consoles.
   
   Please feel free to provide any feedback to us.

   Sincerely,
   Raquel and Bill

   P.S. If you are still confused go here -- www.lagardere.com -- and select Lagardère Media présente "Focus sur la Télé" on the left. This should help explain everything (even if it is in French!)
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2003, 02:32:36 AM »
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[Yada yada yada, some subtle stabs at AmigaOne ...]
[snip]

Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia. This will be common knowledge soon (let the others understand this on their own our word will stand
as testimony to our knowledge and skill).

Wow, he really is full of himself, isn't he. Talk about delusions of grandeur ...
Can we have some evidence of this please?
Before we get that, I regard this as pure FUD (ooh, I said the F word :-o )

Anyways, things are looking good for Peg/MOS after all, if this thing ever materialises. I hope they don't leave the current Peg owners out in the cold.

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2003, 02:35:48 AM »
Isn't this illegal? Talking about competitors products like this.  Remember the pepsi - coca cola commercials...
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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2003, 02:51:59 AM »
Usual talk with nothing to back up claims.
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2003, 03:08:54 AM »
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In the first BIG opportunity to our Company, we are required to develop using a PPC and MorphOS, a terrestrial Digital Television receiver with interactive/computing and smart card read and write functions (to be referred to as the DTV STB). This product will not require the use of the Articia and we will be producing significant quantities in the development phase and a special version of MorphOS (without hurting the complete version). If we deliver the DTV STB in a satisfactory manner we will be eligible to receive orders for over one million units. It is a once-in-a-lifetime professional opportunity for all of us. We need to make the most of it.



Hmmm... Anyone remember BeOS, and BeIA (we are not going to forget the desktop market)?  If this thing isn't going to use the Articia (which I've been mispelling and mispronouncing all along) then what will it use?  Sounds really scaled down and really limited, but good luck with it, what ever it is.  Does it also dice and slice and include something more for .... wait..... only >>>>$19.95 <<<<<

Okay, sorry folks.  BBRV's pep talks do come off sounding overly enthusiastic and sometimes downright silly.  But he does have the ability to gain attention to a product.  I bet he could sell a bowl of white rice and make it sound like the most delicious bowl of curry rice ever cooked.  I really wish we had him pushing OS4 like that.

Good luck with the new products.  When will we know more about the Pegasos II and the new northbridge?
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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2003, 03:23:23 AM »
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The first patch that Gerald and Thomas developed works as we know, but there were still bugs


Well, if I remember right (and it's possible that I don't),  isn't this the chip that Genesi was boasting over saying, "we have a fixed chip, and AmigaOne does not"?

Wasn't this the very thing that they were basing thier stability on in the first place?
Then Alan said, "BullCrap, it's not fixed".

Then everyone jumped on Alan and said that he was unprofessional, and throwing fud all around the place?

And now they are scrapping the "fixed chip" because it was not really fixed in the first place?

Just like Alan said?
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2003, 03:25:28 AM »
@Herewegoagain

Um... Be changed directions, hence why they had so many problems.  Genesi already makes embedded internet-ready devices.  So making an STB is a logical bridge between their ComCam, Cashboy and Pegasos product lineups.

A good business decision, especially since the risk is not on Genesi's head as they are doing it under contract.
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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2003, 03:47:49 AM »
@bb, if he's reading:

> Together, we believe we can create a substantial and long awaited change to the IT marketplace.

If having the name Bill and lying about your competitors is what it takes to succeed, I'd have to agree that your chances are good.

Anyway, Buck, let me just say that I am REALLY tired of your habit of including misinformation about the AmigaOne/Teron in your pressreleases. Could you please, PLEASE knock it off? I don't care if you lie your head off about the Pegasos, but please leave the AmigaOne be. I happen to care about the Amiga platform, and don't appreciate people FUDing it. Thanks in advance.

> Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia.

Buck, on these issues, I trust you about as far as I can toss the Great Pyramid of Cheops. I don't suppose you can substantiate this claim?

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2003, 04:19:51 AM »
I hope they'll give fact to back up their claims... Personnally I kind of trust them. (after all, genesi designed the pegasos, tested Articia with it a long time, designed April 1, then April 2)...

But we need facts, proofs. Otherwise, anyone can claim the contrary as well ! (which leads in blind wars, everyone trusting someone without proofs)
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2003, 04:23:23 AM »
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Um... Be changed directions, hence why they had so many problems.



Ummm.  Yep.  That's my point.  But at first they claimed they were not leaving the desktop behind.  THEN they changed directions.  Just like Genesi have changed directions with the Pegasos.  Now it will not be what they claimed to all of those who purchased.  But you say, "yeah but they can upgrade for $200"  So what?  That was never the original plan, hence they have changed plans.  What's to say they will not do it agian before September?
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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2003, 04:39:27 AM »
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Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia. This will be common knowledge soon (let the others understand this on their own our word will stand as testimony to our knowledge and skill).


I'm sorry but, I don't believe you.

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NOTE: for 200 Euros and trade-in ALL Pegasos I Users (includes Betatesters) WILL be able to upgrade to the Pegasos II (just to put an end to that FUD!).


And be w/o my hardware for how long? What an absolute crock of BS.
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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2003, 04:47:41 AM »
So let's find an A1 and Pegasos owner and put this to rest already. It's pointless to point at each other shouting "liar".
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2003, 04:48:53 AM »
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(after all, genesi designed the pegasos, tested Articia with it a long time, designed April 1


Which they said was completly fixed.
Only to find out that, in reality, it was not fixed at all.

That's called promotional hype.
Others might call it a straight out lie.

It depends on how you look at it, I reckon.
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2003, 08:33:42 AM »
@ Herewegoagain 

"Ummm. Yep. That's my point. But at first they claimed they were not leaving the desktop behind. THEN they changed directions. Just like Genesi have changed directions with the Pegasos. Now it will not be what they claimed to all of those who purchased. But you say, "yeah but they can upgrade for $200" So what? That was never the original plan, hence they have changed plans. What's to say they will not do it agian before September?"


You know what is a scary thought, that maybe Eyetech may change plans too?  I am not sure what to make of this Aritica chip???  I hope that Eyetech has a better working relationhip with Mai Logic.  I hope that they were/are able to reslove any problems with the Aritica chip.  If not then maybe they will need to change thier plans??

Just some of my thoughts
 

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Re: Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2003, 08:42:15 AM »
@ Warrent

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I hope that Eyetech has a better working relationhip with Mai Logic.


Most definitely, stay tuned.   :-D