Legal threats from Harald Frank

[dammy]

Poster: redrumloa Date: 2003/2/21 9:04:17

Please, please get professional help. I don't know if you are an alcoholic or a crack addict, but whatever substance is causing your delusions is going to end up killing you.

That's probably close to the money right there.  The man has some type of emotional and or mental illness.  I've been wondering with these outburst of his, is it caused by him missing out on his medication (for whatever reason)?

Dammy

[Marky_D_Sahd]

Wayne:

Buck up.  I know it's all well and good for us to read Mr. Franks drivel and laugh, but I also know that any threat, especially along side of the hundreds you've already gotten over this site, is another boulder on your mountain of stress.

Anything we can do to help, please let us know.  We all love this site and, as thos story proves, need it now more than ever.

[KennyR]

Kronos, I do agree with you: Amithlon brought an extra buzz to the Amiga which, by incompetence or bad luck, hadn't seen new hardware for years. Obviously people liked it - a lot. But like it or not, x86 was rejected by the "Amiga companies" (namely AInc and bPlan). Now, for good or bad, the Amiga future (or lack thereof) is PPC. Anything else is now just retro-computing emulation. This isn't going to change any time soon.

Amiga commerce may be stone dead but I don't see it being revived on OS3.9, lightning fast or not.
In summary, for those who want keep the old Amiga days on modern hardware, Amithlon/Umilator/OSXL is great. For those who want to see the Amiga even become a shadow of the success it once was, Amithlon is a nightmare.

[walter]

N> walter said:

WM>> Unless he is stopped, probably by judicial authority, Harald Frank is going
WM>> to continue threatening and abusing...

N> If there were enough of us and a way to prove damages, I'd say start a class
N> action lawsuit against HF. Sadly, such an action would create more problems
N> than it would solve in our small market.

The market's so tough, I can't see how ANY form of legal action could make it
worse.  Action on Amithlon/Umilator should not hinder OS4, MOS or Amiga Inc.
I suppose some participants would have to take time to be deposed.  Can you
suggest specific harm that would come from such action?

Other than flames from all the ardent supporters of Mr. Frank :-)  :-)  :-)

N> Not to mention, any damages that could be recovered from the deliquent parties
N> probably isn't worthy of small claims court.

Yes.  The payoff cannot possibly be money to the plaintiffs.  The goal is removing
a malevolent and obstructive force from the emulator market.

I'm not sure that actually FILING a class action suit is the best path, but if a credible
threat could be mounted, it might exert pressure on HF.  Talking to German
regulatory agencies or industry associations might be a good start.  I admit that
my comments are all vapor without a German agent (I live in the U.S.), a fund to
support the initial research and a commitment from Bernie and other harassment
targets to provide information when the time comes.

Finally, although I am not keen on Haage & Partner, I don't think they should
be targeted unless they actively try to obstruct Umilator's release.

----
Walter

[Kronos]

@KennyR

1. AInc didn't reject x86, that was Hyperion.

2. What is the major difference between 3.9 and 4. (when done)
from a users or developers POV ?

a) differnt CPU ..... who gives a f****
b) no ExecSG ..... one can easily live without
c) add-ons ..... IBrowse is 68k, and RoadShow will also be sold
separatly.
d) the version number .... uuuuu you got me here   :-P

Why do you think was it that H&P did BB2 ? What do you think were
Bernies plans for CENCORED ?

So AmigaOS on x86 would ge further than 3.9, just by another
was than OS4-PPC.

[downix]

Same here. In fact, I'd even be prepared to become a distributor.

There's always a spot on pegasos-usa.com for Umilator if Bernie decides to proceed.

[Warface]

When we decided to stop buying H&P's products, it must have worked on a grand scale. I am so happy about the people who realized this long ago and stopped buying thier products.
I only hope that the people that are still buying thier products will stop supporting H&P.

Stop buying OS3.5 and OS3.9 then.

*Shakes head in disbelief*

[downix]

@Dammy

That's probably close to the money right there. The man has some type of emotional and or mental illness. I've been wondering with these outburst of his, is it caused by him missing out on his medication (for whatever reason)?

You should have seen Harold talking to bbrv last night on IRC.  The man nearly went into orbit when Bill asked about Bernie.

This community is filled with sychophants, cheats and liars.  Makes me feel like I'm in politics all of a sudden.

[Kronos]

@Downix

Have you seen todays topic in #morphos ?
 :roll:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roll:

edit:
stupid question, as you are online there  :-D

[MarkTime]

Do any of you know Darek Mihocka?

oh lawd!  I cannot believe you brought up that name....

yes I know Darek, biggest @!#$@# ever....

I don't want to overplay matters (everyones says: no not you!)...but if Harald is as bad as Darek, than this is bad news indeed, for it implies fundamental issues with the very fabric of existence...for I cannot imagine even an infinite hell that would be big enough to house both of them.

 :-D

[Marky_D_Sahd]

Also, on Wayne's behalf, PLEASE don't say anything on this site that might give this guy REAL ammo for a lawsuit!  It's one thing to state an opinion of his actions, quite another to imply that he might be involved in unproven illegal activities (illegal substance abuse) or might be mentally ill.  This is for Wayne's sake, not H.F.'s  Never give a loony a loaded gun.

[LaBodilsen]

It's a sad day when you don't know you've lost the battle......  

Harald, give it up, you've got no legal leg left to stand on.

ps.  i don't think you company ever had a lawyer, it's just you blowing hot air at people.

[Vincent]

If that email to Wayne was on a sheet of paper, I'd wipe my arse on it and shove it down Harold's throat.

He's got no leg too stand on, can't use his brain, and single handedly lost a lot of possible future customers with his actions.

I hope Umilator buries Amithlon.

In the wise words of Bart Simpson:

Harold, get bent.

[alx]

If that email to Wayne was on a sheet of paper, I'd wipe my arse on it and shove it down Harold's throat.

No one's stopping you from printing it out :-D

Do you really think that he expected that he could threaten Wayne in private and get the word Amithl0n banned from this site?  It's hard to believe he could be that naive - if so, it's really backfired (remember that there are 5000 members and many times more guests here - all reading this!)

[System]

Call his bluff. The most a lawyer could realistically do here is send a cease & desist letter. I'll bet it wouldn't even get that far, because any lawyer (almost anyone except Mr Frank, apparently) would only be able to advise him he hasn't got a legal leg to stand on.

[Fats]

The only reason HF did this was to end discussions about the competition by threatening Wayne. HF can probably take him to court and loose but only after making Wayne's life a miserable living hell in the process.

If that should happen, e.g. Wayne is sued by HF (don't want to write this name fully) I am happy to contribute to a fund to pay the legal costs. For Wayne of course.