Author Topic: Rebirth of Umilator??? (Read 5687 times)

Tigger · « **on:** February 21, 2003, 01:56:50 AM »

A poll (which Bernie is apparently part of) to decide whether Umilator effort should go forward. More info here:

Umilator Poll

Paul_Gadd · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2003, 09:58:48 PM »

For 37 quid yes of course.

KennyR · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2003, 10:37:56 PM »

The Thing That Should Not Be may return... :shocked:

ne_one · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2003, 10:40:09 PM »

It would definitely be nice to see an update on the number of people who have made their endorsement.

Has the viability of this product ever been in question? It sold reasonably well in the past and there was some indication that a version sanctioned by Amiga would also be available at one point.

I don't quite understand the motivation behind this but certaintly think this is an important product that helps encourage widespread use of the system and the development of other applications.

newbee · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2003, 10:40:30 PM »

Hmm Silly poll

Only to options:

1). Yes I will pay A$99.00 from Umulation
2). No I will not pay A$99.00

What about:
3). I really want this product and will happily pay more for it...

I think Bernie deserves better treatment than what he has recived so far... And if that means giving him back more profit on his efforts than so be it... I would rather that then loose a GREAT developer from this community forever...

Regards
Darren

Ivan · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2003, 11:03:42 PM »

I suppose i'll be flamed for this but oh well. I don't hate Bernie but i wont be buying an emulator to run Amiga OS on my PC when i have an Amiga.

I've always disliked emulation in general because it is always faced with incompatability limitations to the real thing. This is not to say i hate Umilator and Bernie. I don't. In fact i hope he walks away from all the garbage he's had to put up with, with a few quid in his pocket. It would only be fair.

As for me buying an emulator, well i'm going for an A1 and OS4 so i will have old 68k apps available to me in the OS anyway and then i'll have all the new SW that was made for OS4 as well. (remember the change from 1.3 to 2.0)

Ivan

Hammer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2003, 11:21:21 PM »

@Ivan

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I've always disliked emulation in general because it is always faced with incompatability limitations to the real thing. This is not to say i hate Umilator and Bernie. I don't. In fact i hope he walks away from all the garbage he's had to put up with, with a few quid in his pocket. It would only be fair.

Note that AmigaOS 4.0 does have a 68k emulation feature since PPC is an entirely different family compared to 68k series.

PS; I recall Bernie has the license from Amiga Inc.

Regardless what happens, the AmigaOS has to migrate to another CPU family (forced by Motorola's decision for abandoning the 68k in regards to desktop computing segment leadership).

Glaucus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2003, 12:02:12 AM »

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3). I really want this product and will happily pay more for it...

You can always buy more then one copy! ;-)

- Mike

Glaucus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2003, 12:05:20 AM »

Although I said yes I would like to buy, it would be a good idea if they also provided a link to what the proposed feature set is (I believe there is one out there somewhere, right?) and also a possible target date for it's return to the market.

I am also curious as to what has changed so that bringing Umilator to market is now possible, while before it seemed impossible?!?

- Mike

LaBodilsen · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2003, 12:13:06 AM »

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Although I said yes I would like to buy, it would be a good idea if they also provided a link to what the proposed feature set is (I believe there is one out there somewhere, right?) and also a possible target date for it's return to the market.

I believe the adress you looking for is:
http://www.umilator.net/blog/features.shtml

;-)

Ivan · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2003, 02:43:25 AM »

>Note that AmigaOS 4.0 does have a 68k emulation feature since PPC is an entirely different family compared to 68k series.

I never forgot it. There are alot of 68k based binarys out there so some form of emulator is needed to support them. In a perfect world, all those coders would pull out thier sources and do PPC compiles of thier SW. I think the major apps will be PPC anyway. And under OS4 with all the new features added. It's easy to forget that the OS is just expanded and execSG is just an extended exec68k for PPC. I expect that even with 68k emulation for the PPC that there will be some problems with some apps because of the new OS features. It happens in EVERY os change. But hey, at least were not re-wrapping a linux or QNX kernal and calling it AmigaOS or Amiga Set Top Box. (a la Gateway)

>PS; I recall Bernie has the license from Amiga Inc.

Last i heard he still does but he took his leave. I still can't make sense of this announcement though. Do they plan on finishing code? What's Bernies take on all this?

>Regardless what happens, the AmigaOS has to migrate to another CPU family (forced by Motorola's decision for abandoning the 68k in regards to desktop computing segment leadership).

Indeed, when the first PPC came from Motorola who didnt want AmigaOS on PPC? It's taken a while but were here.

Ivan

T_Bone · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2003, 04:49:43 AM »

> I suppose i'll be flamed for this but oh well. I don't
> hate Bernie but i wont be buying an emulator to run
> Amiga OS on my PC when i have an Amiga.
> I've always disliked emulation in general because(snip)

Nobody is going to flame you for not buying a product you personally have no use for.

:-)

Hammer · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2003, 05:21:44 AM »

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I never forgot it. There are alot of 68k based binarys out there so some form of emulator is needed to support them. In a perfect world, all those coders would pull out thier sources and do PPC compiles of thier SW.

This is not a perfect world....

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I think the major apps will be PPC anyway. And under OS4 with all the new features added. It's easy to forget that the OS is just expanded and execSG is just an extended exec68k for PPC. I expect that even with 68k emulation for the PPC that there will be some problems with some apps because of the new OS features. It happens in EVERY os change. But hey, at least were not re-wrapping a linux or QNX kernal and calling it AmigaOS or Amiga Set Top Box. (a la Gateway)

Then again, there was this thing called Amiga DE.

My post was about "your emulation remarks".

My view was to have a near Amiga OS 5.0’s ideal i.e. virtual processor under 68k JIT emulation, instead of Tao’s VP. There’s nothing wrong with PPC and X86 in terms of coexisting within a particular market place.

The problem with PPC BeOS and X86 BeOS (and also others**) is that, it doesn’t have common CPU layer for common binary execution.

**other multi-platform OSes
- PPC Linux vs X86 Linux,
- PPC BSD vs X86 BSD,

xeron · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2003, 09:29:19 AM »

Well, I have no interest in the product at all, but I wish Bernie all the best, and if the project goes ahead, I wish it great success.

selco · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2003, 10:18:10 AM »

I would by a copy for sure!

kind regards, selco
http://selco.da.ru