SciTech and Hyperion enter strategic partnership

[System]

Well, if you'll notice, someone else is being very quiet too.

That would be bbrv and the rest of his hirelings.

Has nothing to do with product.
It has to do with lawyers saying, "keep your mouth quiet".

As far as Ceebit.
It really doesn't matter .

What does matter is to know that OS4 is still being worked on, and will be brought out when it's ready.

I, for one, will be waiting for it.   ;-)

[greenboy]

Mountain_Myst : Well, if you'll notice, someone else is being very quiet too. That would be bbrv and the rest of his hirelings. Has nothing to do with product. It has to do with lawyers saying, "keep your mouth quiet".

Only with resentment could someone say "hireling" as if there was something wrong with being paid for hard work ; }  In fact all European Genesi management and core development teams are in meetings for the entire week.

Congratulations, Hyperion: it's good to see the signs of progress.
 
 
<-- greenboy ---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium

[System]

Well I'm shocked that someone would shove me into a box and say that that's the way I have to be.

You should have said, "I think, only with resentment".

I said what I said because of the fact I have been watching the forums for a couple of months now, and I seen a certain enviornment from 3 certain individuals.
A path.
A mode.
A plan.

It's not with resentment.
It's with paying attention to what's going on around me.
And it's also my opinion.

Please, don't try to put me into a class of people.
People are different all over the world, and I am an individual.
Just because you say that I have to be a certain way, does not make it so.

I am my own mind, thank you.

And I'm not talking about what you are talking about apparently.

Some people know exactly what I'm talking about.
Others don't have a clue.

[Hammer]

Hyperion is extremely small company. It's no secret. With limited manpower and resources. How many of you keep on making OS4 and how many start working on these new and exiting extra drivers (including 3D extensions)?
 

Is He obligated to reveal that?

[greenboy]

I hardly think a few words with a wink at the end is a shove. SHOVES have lots of caps and exclamation points. And maybe some bad words. I try to stay away from those.

I'm not much into sullen conspiracies either. Or Bizarro World Desideratas ; }

[Blitter]

Well, It's been quite some time since I've spent any quaility time at AO.  I must say, there is a lot of reading for me to catch up on.  :-D

This was a good start.  I'm happy to see that AOS 4.0 seems to be progressing nicely.

If AOS 4.0 lives up to all the features listed in the feature update + this and is out within the next 3 months.  Then I will say.. "EXCELLENT work Hyperion. Now take a well deserved vacation!" :-P

Blitter

[redfox]

Great news....    :-D
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redfox

[Helgis75]

After reading about the alliance, i have to say this is impressive news, and this will make the porting of 2D/3D-drivers for AmigaOS a whole lot more simple, and certainly saving a lot of time and strenght!

The possibility to get into the embedded market with AmigaOS is also an interesting one, and could prove to become very popular also :-) They have definitely done an impressive work, and it's well worth the delay, and is now as i see it, soon ready for release! The Amiga companies are really taking the Amiga very serious!!! Good works, guys! Congratulations!!!

[Nick]

What a waste of time! I`ve just spent what feels like half my life reading this page. :-) Oh well it was fun. I`m glad to hear that there has been a 99% good feeling about this. I`m with that 99% of people.

Somepeople wouldn`t know good news if it bit them on the nose. :-)

Good one Hyperion. Keep up the good work and please hurry up, my wallet is waiting with vast anticipation.

[Rogue]

JoannaK wrote:
Hyperion is extremely small company. It's no secret. With limited manpower and resources. How many of you keep on making OS4 and how many start working on these new and exiting extra drivers (including 3D extensions)?  

If there hadn't been SciTech and SNAP, we wouldn't be doing the 3D stuff but also the 2D stuff. As you will clearly admit, neither the 2D nor the 3D drivers write themselves, and now at least half of that burden (the 2D part) has been taken away from us. I would like to hear how this makes up for a delay... I'd rather call this a speedup, because the 3D drivers would have been done by us anyway...

But I still would like you being more honest about these delays and schedules.

You are an engineer yourself. You should know that engineering work is highly unpredictable. Sometimes you can't really estimate how long something is going to take. Sometimes you overestimate, and can make more progress in a day that you have done in two weeks before. A schedule is only really lost once the day it was scheduled for arrives.

I am honest, as far as I can tell. If I say I expect things to be finished at this date, I do expect them to be finished at that date.

Keeping people waiting forever ain't polite, especially when it's done couple months at a time.

"Polite", yes... Politeness is something that is completely lost in this "community". You should see the remarks I need to read. Fact  is, we're working on the tightest budget possible, under the most uncomfortable conditions. I get daily reminders from people waiting for OS 4. I'm sorry, but I don't really have time for being polite. Every time you want to make a public statement, you need to collect data, have people write something up, make a document about it (and have to listen to people compain about the font afterwards).

[JoannaK]

@rogue
Ok. Thanks for reply.

From previous information I have been left into assumption you allready have enough 2D drivers coming up with this ForeFront deal and older P96. If there is real and acute need to support all those 100+ other chipset varants then I  agree it sounds good deal. Normally I had preferred you to implement and test only few key systems (like Radeon and perhaps some of matrox) of new ones cause I would belive thos being most needed with OS4-Aone.

Yes.. Have seen..  It's darn easy to fall into that trap. And with some eager marketting thowing in some hype...  And stack those announcements and promices few times atop of each other. It soon becomes an ugly  mess  :-(

Those frustrated user comments can be deadly. Especially after people have been mislead by way too overoptimistic speeches by too many corporate leaders way too many years. It'll hit back one way or another. You are not cause (nor legitimite target)  to most of it but unfortunately you are now in position where people are looking you and expecting you to sort it sort it all out.

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Ah..  a smallish announcement.. I have decided to stop commenting OS4/Aone situation now for a while at least. At this point more commenting won't do any good to ideas I'm after. And OS4 what it is at this point, and as long as this state keeps on A-one ain't anything I would consider interesting.

So, I'll see when you have got it all together. Hopefully you have something to show us all some day.

[Methuselas]

"Polite", yes... Politeness is something that is completely lost in this "community". You should see the remarks I need to read. Fact is, we're working on the tightest budget possible, under the most uncomfortable conditions. I get daily reminders from people waiting for OS 4. I'm sorry, but I don't really have time for being polite. Every time you want to make a public statement, you need to collect data, have people write something up, make a document about it (and have to listen to people compain about the font afterwards).

Touche!  :-D  That' exactly what I'm talking about.

[Rogue]

@Joanna

From previous information I have been left into assumption you allready have enough 2D drivers coming up with this ForeFront deal and older P96.

There can never be enough driver support. Older P96 and ForeFront's drivers wouldn't have included things like GeForce and the latest Radeons (at least not for now), and also no Matrox support yet. While the usual selection needs to be done in respect to the 3D drivers (GeForce is still highly unlikely), chances are that someone with no gaming/3D interest and a GeForce will still want to use that on his AmigaOne...

Normally I had preferred you to implement and test only few key systems

One of the strongs points of SciTech SNAP is that is *is* a tested, proven system. There is no need to go through a prolonged testing of each and every driver, since those drivers that we will get are already known to work, and any issues discovered and fixed on other systems will carry over to the Amiga. Besides, their list is constantly expanding, something that we would have a hard time keeping up, if at all.

You are not cause (nor legitimite target) to most of it but unfortunately you are now in position where people are looking you and expecting you to sort it sort it all out.  

Unfortunately, once you are targeted, it doesn't matter that you are a legitimte target. I must say that Amiga.org is one of the civilized places. Believe it or not by german sites are usually the worst.

And OS4 what it is at this point, and as long as this state keeps on A-one ain't anything I would consider interesting.

For me it is the center of my computing universe.

[SlimJim]

@Rogue
 
Well, amiga.org generally tends to be a little more docile
than other sites (all is relative of course ;-)). It's very
appreciated (as always) to have you posting on here. The
AOS4 ML on Yahoo has completely lost its value to me
after you and Thomas left.
 
I don't think I have to point out to you that most (including
most of the prominent doommongers, no matter what they
say now) will be positively extatic once you
release the darn thing.
 
 I think I know the people in here good enough now to say
that I already can see see some of their posts for my inner
eye... Ahhh. The future...
 
When the waiting-frustration (finally) fades away, the tone
of the community forums will change drastically to the
better is my guess.
.
SlimJim

[Hammer]

From previous information I have been left into assumption you allready have enough 2D drivers coming up with this ForeFront deal and older P96.

I thought it was never enough i.e. missing nVidia support (at least the MacOS and OS/2 platforms supports this family).

Why are you assuming this particular POV (just curious)?

[System]

@Rogue

There can never be enough driver support.

Has Hyperion or SciTech ever thought about implementing Metabyte's parallel graphics technology or something similar of your own design?

 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Once upon a time, a clever little company called Metabyte created a parallel graphics technology code-named the "Wicked3D Stepsister" which allowed two nVidia TNT cards to be used in a combination of 2x PCI or AGP with PCI.

Not to be confused with two Voodoo 2 cards in SLI, which would render odd or even lines. Metabyte's process of rendering images from two sources separates the entire image into two sections: top & bottom. The driver then sends the render information to the appropriate board so that rendering occurs in parallel on the two boards. This offers the absolute advantage of reduced CPU overhead whilst making the whole operation more seamless. Instead of a 50:50 image processing split between the two cards, the split ratio is determined by the independent performance of each card.

This technology allows graphics cards to run in a parallel configuration using any existing chip on the market and can be applied to any future chipset. The application of this technology will yield a 40+ percent increase in performance and will double megapixel per second fill rate of a dual card configuration over a single card. Another advantage is that it allows the use of dual monitors like a Matrox card and can switch back to a single monitor when high performance is required.

With a little imagination & programming skill it should be possible to combine virtually any two graphics cards in a PCI/AGP combination.

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