Midgets Go to War: Genesi sues Amiga Inc.

[DaveP]

Well at least we know that a cat is there that might
eventually get out of the bag.

Im guessing that because I can't find anything
in the public domain ( court documents ) it was settled
out of court anyway.

Else i am looking in the wrong states archives ;-)

[zacman]

>Im guessing that because I can't find anything
>in the public domain ( court documents ) it was
>settled out of court anyway.
>Else i am looking in the wrong states archives

No same state. Maybe even the same lawyers

[Senex]

> Maybe even the same lawyers

 :-D

[Paul_Gadd]

why do people care so much for A.inc? what did they do for you?

They have the name "Amiga" in the name "Amiga inc" so they will get thousands of blind followers who will defend them to the death and sabotage the competition.

[AmiGR]

BTW, the OS3.5 registration paper mentions UAE
and they don't ban usage of the OS with any emuls
in the EULA. MOS0.4 was just quark+exec+cgx
and some other modules needed to make the OS run
on a PPC processor + a 68k emulator. The rest was
emulated and patched sometimes. The original ROM
was used for that, NO rom files. It's the same case
Apple lost with the AMax authors.

[AmiGR]

Actually you said more about the case than I did:P
I just mentioned that they lost a case, nothing more.

[samface]

anyway i belive that ainc will win this fight (as i belive its about the actual patents and the source blooper.

Ok guys, I have information directly from Bill and Raquel (I have no idea why they didn't say this directly to begin with) that this is about their AmigaDE license, nothing else. Amiga Inc. is accused of denying them the right to use this license (hence the "breach of contract") and they expect the court's decision this week.

I have no further details but this should atleast straighten out a few misconceptions in here.

@DaveP

The court case is here:

http://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/wawd/CASELIST.NSF/64816dac731e4808882564c00067c41d/3a837b98917be82088256ca30000aae9?OpenDocument

And then keep an eye on:

http://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/wawd/Documents.nsf/d9832cf8ff8f7654882568cf00780e92/4789ef1a9f06dea38825695300774a61?OpenDocument

[anarchic_teapot]

JoannaK saith:
Year(s?) ago you loudly warned all us about poor economical status of Thendic... I know you like digging all that data, so please could you make short summary of status of AmigaInc and Hyperion as they are now?

Months, months. I don't like going on like a broken record, but don't worry: my analysis hasn't changed. If anything, I have even greater doubts about a group that spawns subsidiaries and holding companies faster than daisies on a fresh-mown lawn and whose public pronouncements are mostly full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

As for the financial situations of Hyperion and Ainc, I have no figures. It's certainly no secret that they don't have a lot of money. OTOH, they aren't trying to hide behind a smokescreen either.

Happy now?

[pixie]

GreenBoy wrote:
"I think some people have missed a major point here: Genesi has simply made the community (such as it exists) aware that an action in fact has been filed. This is simply an announcement in the interest of informing everyone. It is neither a move to engage community opinion or shape it (like that would have any positive bearing on such a case) - nor is it threats in the form of a series of public postings that may or may not ever have been intended to be followed up on.

As no major details have been released, I truly think that to be the simple purpose of the announcement. If given to further supposition, I would guess that all other avenues have been privately exhausted to handle matters outside of court, as per contract(s). So perhaps legal action is the only thing left to guarantee resolution one way or another. "

If they don't provide extra information,why bring it on the first place!? :-?

(one not so inocent question...)

[Frodon]

Hello,

But the one thing that "Amiga(R)/AmigaOS users, Amithlon/AmigaOS users, UAE/AmigaOS users" all have in common is that they are running AmigaOS.... The real OS not a ripoff.

So according to you AROS is also not Amiga related? As it also use its own APIs to be source compatible (and binary compatible on 68k machines) with AmigaOS?

If yes, then thanks for your huge respect of the work made by the AROS Team to bring us a source compatible OS by developping compatible APIs. They've worked for years to make AROS possible. And saying that just because it's not using real AmigaOS APIs but rewritten one make it not Amiga related is a bit hard for the hard work made by the developpers.

Ok You didn't say that. But as you say it for MorphOS and as AROS has also its own APIs just like MorphOS and so don't use AmigaOS, I'd guess you'd say the same for AROS. Or you are not coherent.

Regards

[Senex]

If they don't provide extra information,why bring it on the first place!?

Well, not Genesi made it "news" at several websites (now also at amiga-news.de, keeping me busy). BBRV just responded in a COMMENT in a thread at ANN (the Ibrowse one) in which someone was concerned about the "MOS is illegal"-FUD which made him afraid to support Genesi.

[greenboy]

pixie :  If they don't provide extra information,why bring it on the first place!?

Hey pixie,

They provided the essential information: that they are following through. Thus, nobody needs wonder.

[AmigaHeretic]

I guess you have to ask yourself, do you think that if Genesi had made an 'Operating System' (Morph XP) that looked and worked exactly like Windows XP and ran all Windows software or an 'Operating System' (Morph Mac) that looked and worked exactly like Mac OS and ran all Mac OS software that a court of law wouldn't think this was infringing on the rights of Microsoft or Apple?  I think a court might even side with Microsoft on that.  Just because Amiga Inc. is a lot smaller and most people have never heard of Amiga OS doesn't make it anymore legal to do the above.  I think there is a reason no other company makes a ‘Windows Compatible’ OS.  

I’m sure some company would love to sell a product for half the price of Windows XP that looks and feels exactly like Windows and runs the entire existing catalog of Microsoft Windows software, but I think they know they would probably have no legal ground to stand on.

Just my take (no I’m not a lawyer)  

Amiga Guy

[Frodon]

Hello,

I guess you have to ask yourself, do you think that if Genesi had made an 'Operating System' (Morph XP) that looked and worked exactly like Windows XP and ran all Windows software or an 'Operating System' (Morph Mac) that looked and worked exactly like Mac OS and ran all Mac OS software that a court of law wouldn't think this was infringing on the rights of Microsoft or Apple?  I think a court might even side with Microsoft on that.  Just because Amiga Inc. is a lot smaller and most people have never heard of Amiga OS doesn't make it anymore legal to do the above.  I think there is a reason no other company makes a ?Windows Compatible? OS.

Why do you think M$ didn't tried to sue Lindows about its compatibility with Windows and rather just about his name? (and even with that he lost )
I help you, simply because they'd have lost and they know that. Even if Lindows look a bit like Windows and run a lot of Windows apps.

I?m sure some company would love to sell a product for half the price of Windows XP that looks and feels exactly like Windows and runs the entire existing catalog of Microsoft Windows software, but I think they know they would probably have no legal ground to stand on.

Well in fact it exists already It doesn't look like Win XP but more like Win 2k but not exactly. It can run Win apps Btw and I mention it just before Yes I'm speaking of Lindows And for the legal aspect see my answer above

Btw MorphOS don't look exactly like AmigaOS 3.x. It has similarities bu it also has lot of differencies and new stuffs.
Additionally, the interface is themable if you want to make it look exactly like AmigaOS you can, just like you can do it on Win XP or MacOS X using themes.

But MorphOS has its own look & feel even if an Amiga user will indeed recognize some similarities with AmigaOS, it has not the exact same look & feel. In fact its look is just more modern

Regards

[Kronos]

@amigaguy
Ever heard of Lindows ?

[MarkTime]

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