Midgets Go to War: Genesi sues Amiga Inc.

[System]

Guys,

Keep in mind here that we have absolutely no details other than the fact that it's happening.  As such -- despite your intuition as the Amiga community -- you cannot make any real judgements based on facts.  We do not know why Genesi did it.  We don't know that it's a bad thing.

In short, before you all go bonkers as usual, take a minute to think about the fact that you're acting on heresay and emotion (and in some cases religious fervor) at this point, not facts.

Let the companies play their cards.  We aren't being invited to watch, nor should we be.

[zacman]

>Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the illegal code
>was deleted and rewritten by the MOS team.

Why do you think that it ever included illegal code?
Because Amiga Inc. and Hyperion told so in public
forums?

These are things for a court and nothing for public.  
If you think something violates your IP or whatever
then you have to go to court and not to
amiga.org/ann.lu/... That's how it works. Nothing else
Genesi has done.

[Frodon]

Hello,

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the illegal code was deleted and rewritten by the MOS team.

Indeed you are wrong. There was never any illegal code. Anyone stating the contrary is spreading FUD (until he provide valid evidences).
The only real problem was just that in the early version of MorphOS, AmigaOS was needed because there were no replacements of all the AmigaOS components necessary to run the AmigaOS softwares at this time.

And the AmigaOS 3.5+ End User Licence Agreement have something stipulating that it's not allowed to run AmigaOS on a non "Amiga certified" hardware (so like the Pegasos).

So it'd have been a problem if MOS where sold and still need AmigaOS as legally speaking it'd have needed for the user to "illegally" use AmigaOS as it'd have breach the End User License Agreement (because the Pegasos is not an Amiga certified hardware).

That's why the MorphOS Team have written replacements of every necessary components (with the graceful help of the AROS Team which let the MOS Team use the AROS elements). And so that's why MorphOS is perfectly legal even on the Pegasos now

Regards

[System]

I think its funny as hell... A.inc bieng taken to court... I wonder if they will show up in a wonderbread truck...hahahaha

[System]

This is really great news.

We haven't heard anything from Amiga Inc. in over a year now.

So the truth is about to be revealed, and no matter which way it goes, we will finally know something.

Bill Buck knew that he needed OS4 in order to survive.
He knew that MorphOS was doomed if it were to compete against OS4.

So now, he's trying to get OS4 to run on Pegasos.

Smart move, but we'll have to see which way it goes.

I really don't know which way I would like this to turn out.    :-?

[HyperionMP]

This must be one of the most baseless lawsuits I have ever come across.

Thendic signed a contract with Amiga for an AmigaDE license for their WindowsCE based products.

This contract has been dormant all this time because these devices were not produced in quantity.

It now appears that mister Buck wants to get AmigaDE support for the Pegasos notwithstanding the fact that the contract clearly stipulates a closed list of devices to be supported with AmigaDE and that the Pegasos is obviously not on this list.

The list can only be extended with Amiga Inc's permission and somehow I doubt they will grant that permission.

Before you ask, yes, I read the contract.

Got my copy from mister Buck himself way back.

If you ask me, this is an attempt to be able to market the Pegasos using the Amiga trademark.

[System]

Midgets Go to War

Genesi has been on a path of war, with various Amiga supporting companies for quite some time now. I am sure that in a couple of years, when all this has blown over, people will be amazed about how deep this rabid hole goes. Today we know most of the details and difficulties surrounding the birth of the original Amiga platform. But when the background story of the current Amiga market finally hits the public they will likely read this with complete disbelieve....

Again this lawsuit is totally unrelated to Genesi's continuous mentions of the fact that Amiga Inc regards that their MorphOS product is illegal. (Originally publicly revealed by Ralph a long time ago, then again underlined with revealing a confidential email from Fleecy and now this).

Genesi wants to have the AmigaDE on the Pegasos (I believe likely for branding purposes or just to waste some more time for their rivals) , as they had a contract (for which they paid nobody anything) for their never finished SmartBoy (WinCE) product. I believe this is truly remarkable and a complete waste of time for both parties.

Sadly this isn't the first time that these people have been wasting Amiga Inc's and related companies' valuable time and resources...

[Herewegoagain]

These are things for a court and nothing for public.
If you think something violates your IP or whatever
then you have to go to court and not to
amiga.org/ann.lu/... That's how it works. Nothing else
Genesi has done.

Completely laughable.  Genesi (Bill Buck particularly) is the king of stirring sh_t in pubic forums.   And when there is nothing to stir, he creates stuff to cause problems.

[blubbe]

We will this we will that..
I think things like this should be handled
between the companies and not FUDed around
like both Amiga ANd Genesi are/has been doing.
After its done and a judge has said his piece,
lets hear it, now its just FUD.

[zacman]

>Again this lawsuit is totally unrelated to Genesi's >continuous mentions of the fact that Amiga Inc >regards that MorphOS is illegal.

Nobody said it was. It's clear: "breech of contract".

> (Originally publicly revealed by Ralph in interviews
>a long time ago

Didn't you want to post a proof together with a URL?

[Billsey]

Poster: Frodon Date: 2003/2/4 12:07:02

Indeed you are wrong. There was never any illegal code.

If indeed this is the case, can you provide evidence as to the slander/libel suit filed against Amiga, Inc./Hyperion for having publically made false statements damaging to the reputation and business of the MorphOS team? In this case, they have not filed suit for such, but for breach of contract, which is entirely different.

[System]

But I must say, that if Genesi winds up loosing this court battle, they are going to be another Haage and Partner to me.

If wrong is being done by Amiga Inc. then Genesi will win in court.
But if Genesi looses, then I will know that it is just another small time company trying to pull down the amiga community.

I can't wait to see how it turns out.

Hope Amiga Inc. wins though.
That's my personal opinion.    ;-)

[zacman]

>Can you provide evidence as to the slander/libel
>suit filed against Amiga, Inc./Hyperion for having
>publically made false statements damaging to the
>reputation and business of the MorphOS team

From ann.lu:

"[News] the next ppc amiga : Comment 216 of 359
Link

Posted by fleecy moss (195.92.198.74) on 20-
May-2002 11:14

2.Amiga compatability within MorphOS comes from
illegally obtained source tapes and we will use all
legal process to prevent it from entering the
market."

"[Unmoderated] Ralph Schmidt comments on deal
with Amiga Inc : Comment 66 of 147 Link

Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (213.224.83.38) on
04-Nov-2001 17:15

The failure of Amiga Inc and the MorphOS team to
come to terms is in part due to the fact that Amiga
wants to assert their ownership and intellectual
property rights over the Amiga OS (for which they
paid 4.5 M USD) whilst the MorphOS team happily
continues to refute those claims (whilst recompiling
OS 3.0/OS 3.1 source-code)."

[NihilVor]

I don’t think this has anything to do with OS 4, nor do I think this has to do with anything other than hurting Amiga and increasing their chances of success.  The "breach of contract" has to do with the AmigaDE;  Bill Buck has been talking about this for months.  They never intended to write anything for the DE, but they are going to use the contract they signed to make a few bucks off Amiga.  Alos, there might be a sense that if Amiga was forced to give up the DE to them it could be a sort of public humiliation.

Now it is possible that they actually want to run Amiga DE on the Peagasos, just so, along with their classic emulator, they can claim to be the new Amiga.  

Genesi is starting to impress me as a company in the sense that they are ruthless and very strategic in their moves.  Whether this actually endears them to me is another story.  

For the person who claimed that MorphOs never contained Amiga IP;  MorphOs "claims" that they had a right to such code, and that they used it "legally" in a beta.  But this particular dialogic has no end.

[System]

Genesi is starting to impress me as a company in the sense that they are ruthless and very strategic in their moves

Hitler impressed a lot of people too.
I'm not comparing Genesi to Hitler, but I'm just bringing out a valid point.

My interpretation of the situation is that Bill Buck is sweating hard.

[redrumloa]

>>Again this lawsuit is totally unrelated to Genesi's >continuous mentions of the fact that Amiga Inc >regards that MorphOS is illegal.

Nobody said it was. It's clear: "breech of contract".

Ahh my above comments were completely out of place then. I must have missed most of this new revelation.

Whatever, let them sling it out in the courts. If it was a pay-per-view event I'd watch it. But it is not so I won't sit here and speculate 'till the cows come home. I'd recomend others do the same. No sense in starting a flame war over something we have no inside knowlege about :-o