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Offline jd997uk

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 12, 2002, 01:59:03 PM »
@Crispy_Beef :

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Perhaps it's worth pointing out to Amiga Inc.

I e-mailed Fleecy a couple of hours ago, pointing out there 'was trouble at mill'.
Hopefully they'll be able to sort out the erratas.

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2002, 02:33:45 PM »
Ok.

Excepted you could mistake 68K to be 64K, due to 64 being a common number when dealing with computers.  I doubt it is a typo though.

What you can't explain is...

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ET: Is it shipping?

Bill McEwen: I guess it is now, but only with Linux on it. It has been shipping in limited quantities...



Why doesn't he know if the product is shipping?  I know it is nothing to do with AInc but come on... I am pretty sure M$ft know when Intel ship new chips etc...


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Bill McEwen: OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC hardware.


Eh? As said before this is wrong...and directly contradicted by later statement...this is unacceptable.

Also where does he think that there are 7 million of us?

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ET: After our news story, we had a pretty strong posting on our website. Our member said that Amiga OS "will apply some form of hardware-license mechanism, a dongle to his hardware."

Bill McEwen: That's untrue

What!?

Very unprofessional.

It is a shame as he does have something cool to talk about...like the way the community is still around and that Hyperion/Eyetech/MAI have worked really hard to get to where we are...

What is done is done though... :(

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2002, 02:38:01 PM »
@Allen

While I am not trying to defened all of the obvious mistakes in that interview, there is also some confusion over whether or not they are talking about Classic systems (with PPC), AmigaOnes, or AA/DE

The interview seems to have blurred the lines (which is why it needs clarification/correcting.  Hopefully it'll be sorted out soon enough.
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2002, 02:41:41 PM »
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Bill McEwen: OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC hardware.


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Eh? As said before this is wrong...and directly contradicted by later statement...this is unacceptable.


Technically it's practically true with exec being totally rewritten (ExecSG) from the ground up to include extra features such as memory protection, virtual mem etc.  Plus there really isn't much left of the 68k native code.

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Also where does he think that there are 7 million of us?


He's reffering to a potential target market of ex. Amiga users.  i.e. those whoe once enjoyed the system and may consider coming back.  While I don't believe anywhere near as many as that would consider it, they are the first that should be targetted.
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2002, 06:36:51 PM »
"ET: And that if you want AmigaOS, "you're not allowed to buy it. You have to buy a new Teron board."
Bill McEwen: That's untrue. "

"This isnt how I understand it....I thought it was posted that the only way to get a copy of OS4 is to purchase it with a PPC MoBo..."There will be NO shrink wrapped versions of OS4.0""

Yes. This has been "clarified" so many times by himself, fleecy, Gary Peake, Alan Redhouse and Ben Hermans. I hope that's not a word-for-word quote of McEwen, as what he says is simply "untrue." *)"

Hardly. Seehund do your research they have
constantly stated that PowerUP boards will
have an exception from the licensing scheme.

This will be the only shrink wrapped version of
AOS4.

Jeez, another thing "conveniently forgotten"?

As for the rest of the interview: No comment.
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2002, 06:52:57 PM »
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ET: Is it shipping?

Bill McEwen: I guess it is now, but only with Linux on it. It has been shipping in limited quantities...

Couldn't it be (like someone suggested before) that when the interview was held he wasn't sure if it was shipping now. I.e. he was referring to a future he did not know of, but had an idea of.
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2002, 08:15:32 PM »
Blade:

See that asterisk that you even quoted? Now look at the bottom of that post, where I address the OS4 for Amigas bit.

Sheesh!
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2002, 08:42:05 PM »
oh no, how embarrassing!

Amiga OS5 in 12 months on X86 with AmigaDE (whatever that crap is)? And they even haven't got OS4 released? No problem to Mr.Mcewen, 3 more weeks just banging together a couple of modules.

A disgrace to Hyperion, who haven't received ANY help, ANY funding, ANY know how from the GREAT AInc.

Oh well, no surprise there.

All the best and respect to Hyperion though. Ainc doesn't exist anymore in my eyes anyway.
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2002, 08:43:28 PM »
Seehund

Well things like this will happen if you "Edit" while Im launching a new browser window to copy and paste from. That bit wasnt there I swear it!

Sheesh! ;-)

Blade
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2002, 12:03:20 AM »
This interview is so ridiculous I'm going to have to paraphrase what I said on another forum.

A) Is this interview a fake?

This interview is either:

1) Real
--a) misquoted
----Does Bill McEwen have Tourette's Syndrome? No. Does
----the interviewer have a hearing problem? I doubt it.
--b) accurately quoted
----Bill McEwen is a liar, a fool, an idiot, and/or a drunk.
2) Fake
--a) intetionally
----This interview is a product of a creative genius who listens
----to Bill McEwen a LOT. If I were to create a fake interview
----I wouldn't have made him lie and dodgle so often,
----especially in cases where it wasn't necessary. I would
----have thought the purpose of a fake interview would me to
----make Bill sound like either a liar, a fool, or an ass, but all
----three? I think not.
--b) unintetionally
----Some nut managed to convince himself that he IS Bill
----McEwen and has copied his mannerisms perfectly. The
----real Bill McEwen should be very worried and change his
----locks, perhaps ask plastic surgeons if anybody has asked
----for the "Bill McEwen" look.

I actually read the interview twice, the second time assuming it was a fake. I found that scenario most improbable. I find the most probable reality is 1b and so I offer my most lucid analysis of the most insane interview I have seen in a technical venue:

B) The Interview?

Going through the list of answers in the order they are answered:

1) lie (largest?)

2) lie (shipping?)

3) lie (total?)

4) dumb (special abilities?)

5) lie (40,000 non-hardware-dependent-apps?) dumb too (64k?)

6) nonsequitur/dodge (what did 7mil have to do with Linux again?)

7) nonsequitur/dodge (so new = image maniulation?)

8) nonsequitur/dodge (US=video, UK=business, NASA=?) lie too (100,000s?!)

9) Amazingly he didn't fook this up by saying he was van Dyle's secret lover. Then again it appears as though the interviewer was mocking McEwen and he didn't notice. Sad.

10) dodge, not to mention a stupid question to begin with considering the licensing scheme.

11) lie

12) Who is 'we' in "we'll"? Meglomaniac.

13) dumb (does he have a clue what he's talking about?)

14) lie

15) nonsequitur/dodge (he said AmigaOS, not AmigaDE)

16) Bill McEwin IS John Madden in answer #16! In web pages near you. Dumb dumb dumb. Also sycophant.

17) nonsequitur/dodge (What does 7mil have to do with the question again? I also love the the division of zero. Much like deviding a carrot into 0 and 1 "pieces")

18) Well this statement either makes Bill or Fleecy a liar.

19) lie

20) lie

21) lie (for further proof look how he answered the question "What's the status of Amiga OS on other platforms today?")

22) lie (how can a liar set things straight? Hrm, an interesting paradox for people who believe Bill McEwen is incapable of lying. Either he's lying now and always has and always will, or he is always telling the truth and is capable of setting things straight. hrmm)

23) nonsequitur/dodge (didn't this guy just say that AmigaDE won't run on AOS4?! Then how the hell are the two related?) and lie (Other side of the coin my ass)

24) fool (wtf? Two years? What happened to 12 months?)

OK, I'm off to laugh at the Amiga apologist posts now. :-D
 

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Re: Amiga
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2002, 12:10:27 AM »
@Warrent

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am very grateful that there is a plan for the future and that Bill is thinking about where he wants to take all of this. For me that is the good news, that there is a plan. I am sure some of it will change and that is okay. For me it is great to think that Amiga will still be here for the upcoming years


I couldn't agree more. It's always nice to see someone in this community who is not eager to bash Amiga Inc at the first chance they have!  ;-)
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Re: Amiga
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2002, 01:12:45 AM »
@ rubenĀ 


"I couldn't agree more. It's always nice to see someone in this community who is not eager to bash Amiga Inc at the first chance they have!:-)"


I do not what Bills' intent was during that interveiw, I do hope that he will follow-up with some comments to put things straight.  I think that Bill is a visionary man and was speaking of what he would like to see.  Maybe if we try to remember that this may just be who Bill is?  A man with a vision, speaking from his heart.  Yes, it may be wise for him to have someone else to do the talking about the facts, but I do not hold it against him for having a vision of what he would like.  It can be hard to understand why he said the things he did in the interview.  Interviews may not be his strength, heck we all have our own weakeness.  Will he learn from this?  I do not know, but I hope that he will.
 

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Re: Amiga
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2002, 01:43:47 AM »
The question is will amigans learn from this! :-?
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2002, 03:39:29 AM »
Hey, the more people talk about Amiga, for whatever reason, means they would forget that the platform still exists.

oh, yeah, There is no such thing as bad publicity.

hahaha
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2002, 04:01:09 AM »
@strobe:

(I'm not going to repeat your rather large post here)

As long as we're slagging off people, how about this one:

25) The interviewer has an agenda, and what was posted was a 'trimmed for space' version of what was really said.  As in:

Question:
Are you ready to lead an armed revolt against your arch-rivals MorphOS?

Actual answer:
What sort of question is that?

"Edited for size":
sort of

 :-D
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2002, 05:08:11 AM »
I don't think he felt the need or wanted to repond to the "from the forum" questions. I doubt the interviewer even knew the they were about.