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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2002, 08:28:55 AM »
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Again, I hope he's been misquoted. Otherwise he's spitting right in the face of Bill Mueller and the other Mai Logic engineers. "No, you didn't design your board, it's our spec, our design."

Well, the original Amiga Inc(later CBM) designed the “Amiga” while Motorola designed the main CPU.

I think Bill McEwen was referring to the complete packaged solution, NOT just the components.

MAI’s chipsets alone doesn’t deliver the Amiga™ solution.
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2002, 08:48:41 AM »
Oh no, what did Bill now say?:-)  This will be interesting, trying to figure out what Bill really means?:-)  I think he is sharing his ideas.  That these are his goals and vision.  In that case the timeline is just a goal.  I would not expect to see OS 5 by the end of next year.  Why work on any OS4.x?  I mean I can wait a year if OS5 would be out by then.  I am not going to get all worked up by this timeline.  I am very grateful that there is a plan for the future and that Bill is thinking about where he wants to take all of this.  For me that is the good news, that there is a plan.  I am sure some of it will change and that is okay.  For me it is great to think that Amiga will still be here for the upcoming years.
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2002, 09:17:46 AM »
Uhm usually I would defend Amiga, but I think a lot of the things Bill has said are untrue.

Second he doesn't give respect where its due. No mention of Hyperion or Eyetechs labour of love to get OS4 off the ground.

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 So what's going on with the Amiga One, and who is EyeTech?

Bill McEwen: EyeTech is one of the larger computer resellers in England, and they licensed the right to take the project over. The Amiga One is our spec, our design, but they built it.


Way to belittle Eyetech, who on their own back went out and made sure Amiga One hardware would exist, Maybe Amiga aren't aware of the work they've put in?


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OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC hardware.


This statement is immediatey contradicted with the next statement.

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ET: Did you just throw everything out and start over?

Bill McEwen: Well, major portions of the code are still being used.


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You've got over 40,000 Amiga applications that will run on the machine without any changes


Lie lie lie, Only applications that behave will run and you and I know there are some really dodgy ones out there, I very much doubt 40,000 would run, add to that the availability, if they all did run you'd have to pirate most of them cos they just aren't available.

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ET: Wasn't your vision for Amiga that it should be cross platform? Why does the desktop version only run on a custom, modified PowerPC system?

Bill McEwen: The idea is that we can run on any piece of hardware, we architected it that way. First we'll get it running on Power PC, then go from there and expand to other chipsets.


I wish people would make up their minds first its one way and then the other, is it platform agnostic or not.?
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ET: What about Pentium 4?

Bill McEwen: Not with OS4, but it will with our next version, OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships. We'll merge the code-bases and go cross-platform


Again thats a new one on us, we were told no x86 , hyperion said they wouldn't do it, I wonder whose going to make this come true.

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ET: What's the status of Amiga OS on other platforms today?

Bill McEwen: We're shipping today on PocketPC and the PocketPC phone edition. You can head right on over to our website and buy an entertainment or software pack that downloads right to those devices.


Uhm this isn't AmigaOS confusing the matter isn't going to help sure from a markettign point of view it reinforces the brand but essentially it will just give customers false expectations.

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ET: But those[amiga anywhere content] apps won't run on the desktop version?

Bill McEwen: not until OS5.


Thats funny cos hyperion seem to say the next version of Amiga will have Amiga anywhere running on it, thats 4.2 or 4.5 not version 5, wrong again

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ET: After our news story, we had a pretty strong posting on our website. Our member said that Amiga OS "will apply some form of hardware-license mechanism, a dongle to his hardware."

Bill McEwen: That's untrue.


Well essentially in that semantic construction it is untrue AmigaOS does no such thing, the AmigaOne however does have to have a dongle to allow AmigaOS to run on it.
A partial truth but its not one thats going to win you any favours.

I'm sorry but Bill is either clearly ill informed or is lying, I'm more in the loop than him.
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2002, 09:52:39 AM »
I'm pretty sure 64k does not mean c64, but for instance 64k intros. IE, even tricky demoscene stuff runs on AmigaOS4. And about you all being upset about the "untrue" statements. No, you don't need to buy a AmigaOne to get AmigaOS4, although, atm, it's the only solution. But afaiu, what you HAVE to do is have amiga certified hardware. Not really a big deal, "no, we won't let you use OS4 on stuff we don't know if it works well on" kinda. And about the AmigaOne design, the AmigaOne isn't just the Teron motherboard you know. Read the specs that Amiga have on the AmigaOne, Amiga set up those specs and someone else builds it.
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2002, 10:20:24 AM »
Whabang: No, 702 bytes is 351 words (one word equals 2 bytes, or 16 bits), or 175.5 long words (32 bits)  ;-)
 

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2002, 10:21:56 AM »
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I'm pretty sure 64k does not mean c64, but for instance 64k intros. IE, even tricky demoscene stuff runs on AmigaOS4.


No, its a typo for "68K", and tricky demoscene stuff won't run without UAE (unless you are using it on a PPC equipped classic, I guess)
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2002, 10:22:18 AM »
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No, 702 bytes is 351 words


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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2002, 11:27:05 AM »
Don't know about you but I hope no-one outside the Amiga community gets to read that!

What a bad interview.

Why does Bill not know if the AmigaOne is shipping!?

"I guess...."

What is a 64K?

An OS4.0 enabled machine requires some form of hardware license i.e. dongle...

Does he even know what he is talking about?

Really disappointed in this.  It has really shaken my faith in AInc.

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2002, 11:29:29 AM »
Actualy, i think almost everyone has known that this is the case. Its bloody obvious.

If you didnt know already, Fleecy told me several years ago, and i suppose this still applies... The DE will be integrated in such a way, that the DE will not run as a task/process.

Fleecy didnt go further, but i can only thing of one other way of doing things. The only thing i can think of is, by implimenting the DE as a set of API's. But what is certain is that the DE will be implimented to be ran as a task from 4.2, but by OS5, it'll be completly integrated and wont run as a proecss.

Here's the email again. I keep all my favourite emails :).

Dear Mr McEwen,
                            sorry to bother you again, as this is my second email on the one topic. In my last email i did make sure you knew that it was not of high importance and that it could wait. But im writing to inform you that there seems to be more confusion than what i first thought.
 
The matter that i and others are concerned (or puzzled) about is the technical update and a specific phrase. I can hear you getting mad. :). I know that you must have put a lot of work into that article and tried to make it as clear as possible. You did a greate job. However theres just one small thing i and others believe need clarrification in your technical update.
 
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Most importantly, AmigaOS4 will see the first introduction of the AmigaDE for existing Amigans, with it running co-operatively on top of the Operating System, and then slowly being integrated until, with the release of AmigaOS5, both will effectively merge to become one.

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Many people seem to believe that by AmigaOS 5.0, AmigaOS will have achieved full hardware independance. That is AmigaOS will not require the PPC to operate, and will instead use a range of processors from the zico standard, including arm, x86 and others.

I myself do not beleive this is what you intended to portray. I believe that when you said "both will effectively merge to become one" that you ment that AmigaOS will simply be able to run all AmigaDE applications however the AmigaOS will be dependant on he PPC. As which makes sence to why you would port all existing AmigaOS code from 68k -> PPC code.

So as i am sure this is what you are trying to say, Many other are not so sure, or are sure about something that is not true. I think clarrification is needed on this one point. If (ironicly) you are having trouble understanding me, :) email me right back and ill see if i can put this another way.

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Fleecy Wrote:
Dear Rodney 8-)
 
What this means is that for AmigaOS4 (currently OS4.2), the DE will run
as a separate application on top of the AmigaOS, which itself is
a PPC only OS. When OS5 comes around, it will not run as an
application but be a seamless and invisible part of OS5. However, it will
be a subset of OS5 - it will not decide which processors OS5
runs on.
 
That information will be released much later on, most likely when we
have OS5 running on them.
 
Thanks for asking though ;-)
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2002, 11:58:28 AM »
Bill McEwen got interviewed by E.T.!!!

Call Mulder and Scully!!!

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2002, 12:22:03 PM »
No, phone home! :-P
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2002, 12:33:15 PM »
I don't have an umbrella...  :-(




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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2002, 01:02:55 PM »
My god was this bad. I tried looking at his answers as marketting babble, but it really boiled down to BS. Throw into the mix that YET AGAIN sehund pops up beatting the same old drum, and you have a painful article to read :-x

WTF is Bill doing? He just gave A-Inc haters tons of fuel to throw on the fire :-x
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2002, 01:42:39 PM »
Hi Al,

> My god was this bad.

Then may I be so bold as to suggest you get a new one?

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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2002, 01:47:26 PM »
One thing to point out is that there are a number of typos, that Bill can't really be held accountable for, and the interview itself was posted not by an Amiga Inc.  employee.

Perhaps it's worth pointing out to Amiga Inc.  the errors on the interview so they can have them corrected.
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Re: Amiga's Grand Plans Revealed
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 12, 2002, 01:59:03 PM »
@Crispy_Beef :

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Perhaps it's worth pointing out to Amiga Inc.

I e-mailed Fleecy a couple of hours ago, pointing out there 'was trouble at mill'.
Hopefully they'll be able to sort out the erratas.

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